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> You're confusing opposition to the left's overreach with evangelical resurgence. No, I'm not. The opposition to abortion in the evangelical community didn't

> You're confusing opposition to the left's overreach with evangelical resurgence. No, I'm not. The opposition to abortion in the evangelical community didn't begin until Republicans bundled the issue with black civil rights and trickle down economics. Both Roe and her lawyer were Southern Baptists, and there were editorials published in Baptist and Evangelical periodicals affirming the decision as the right thing. Religious opposition to abortion rights should not extend to our laws. Oklahoma just passed a 6 week bill with no exceptions for rape, so please, spare me the hand-wringing. > It's not only or even mostly evangelicals that are worked up about the effort to normalize folks like Robin Di Angelo and Ibram Kendi in schools, or to teach young children about sexuality. You ignored the part about "teaching actual history," which includes teaching kids about the effects of slavery and Jim Crow and how that permanently damaged minorities because it might make little white minds evaluate the damage their ancestors did and how that continues to harm minorities today. That Florida bill had nothing to do with teaching kids about sexuality, and it backfired and will continue to do so. There is zero way to word those bills that will not result in malicious compliance because they are plainly meant to be discriminatory.

rayiner 5y ago
> The opposition to abortion in the evangelical community didn't begin until Republicans bundled the issue with black civil rights and trickle down economics. The opposition to abortion was an international phenomenon happening around the same time. Within a few years of Roe, high courts in Canada, Germany, Italy, and France heard abortion cases as well. All except Germany determined that it was a question for the legislature. Germany determined that legalized abortion violated the basic law. To this day, German, French, and Italian abortion laws contain several restrictions that Roe doesn’t permit, specifically limiting elective abortions to the first trimester. Those counties must be full of evangelical Baptists according to you. Also, nice job projecting the abortion movement’s eugenics roots onto conservatives. > In response to a question on access to abortion and restrictions on Medicaid coverage of the procedure, [Justice] Ginsburg said, "Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe [v. Wade] was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don't want to have too many of. So that Roe was going to be then set up for Medicaid funding for abortion." > You ignored the part about "teaching actual history," Virginia didn’t just vote for Glen Youngkin (including half of Asians, who are almost all in liberal northern Virginia where I grew up) because they oppose teaching “actual history.” It’s because Fairfax County paid Ibram Kendi $$$ to come lecture to teachers. > which includes teaching kids about the effects of slavery and Jim Crow and how that permanently damaged minorities That doesn’t sound like “history” but pseudoscience. Racist pseudoscience at that, conflating Black people with “minorities” and implying they are “permanently damaged.” > because it might make little white minds evaluate the damage their ancestors did and how that continues to harm minorities today. “Little white minds,” lol. Gee, I can’t imagine why people think you want to teach White Fragility and inherited guilt (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/dehumanizing-condescension-white-fragility/614146 https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/dehumanizi...) and that “actual history” is just pretext. > That Florida bill had nothing to do with teaching kids about sexuality, and it backfired and will continue to do so. The law is literally limited to “instruction” about “sexual orientation” and “gender identity.” Prior to fourth grade, it’s prohibited. After fourth grade, it must be “age appropriate.” If you think it’s just evangelicals that don’t teachers instructing their kids on human sexuality in third grade, you need more POC friends.

rayiner 5y ago

> The opposition to abortion in the evangelical community didn't begin until Republicans bundled the issue with black civil rights and trickle down economics. The opposition to abortion was an international phenomenon happening around the same time. Within a few years of Roe, high courts in Canada, Germany, Italy, and France heard abortion cases as well. All except Germany determined that it was a question for the legislature. Germany determined that legalized abortion violated the basic law. To this day, German, French, and Italian abortion laws contain several restrictions that Roe doesn’t permit, specifically limiting elective abortions to the first trimester. Those counties must be full of evangelical Baptists according to you. Also, nice job projecting the abortion movement’s eugenics roots onto conservatives. > In response to a question on access to abortion and restrictions on Medicaid coverage of the procedure, [Justice] Ginsburg said, "Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe [v. Wade] was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don't want to have too many of. So that Roe was going to be then set up for Medicaid funding for abortion." > You ignored the part about "teaching actual history," Virginia didn’t just vote for Glen Youngkin (including half of Asians, who are almost all in liberal northern Virginia where I grew up) because they oppose teaching “actual history.” It’s because Fairfax County paid Ibram Kendi $$$ to come lecture to teachers. > which includes teaching kids about the effects of slavery and Jim Crow and how that permanently damaged minorities That doesn’t sound like “history” but pseudoscience. Racist pseudoscience at that, conflating Black people with “minorities” and implying they are “permanently damaged.” > because it might make little white minds evaluate the damage their ancestors did and how that continues to harm minorities today. “Little white minds,” lol. Gee, I can’t imagine why people think you want to teach White Fragility and inherited guilt (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/dehumanizing-condescension-white-fragility/614146 https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/dehumanizi...) and that “actual history” is just pretext. > That Florida bill had nothing to do with teaching kids about sexuality, and it backfired and will continue to do so. The law is literally limited to “instruction” about “sexual orientation” and “gender identity.” Prior to fourth grade, it’s prohibited. After fourth grade, it must be “age appropriate.” If you think it’s just evangelicals that don’t teachers instructing their kids on human sexuality in third grade, you need more POC friends.