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Some people are really friendly with plants, and the plants tell them how to do these things.

ncmncm 5y ago
It is hard to understand this, but it appears well-attested by individuals who had no other way to learn what they demonstrate knowing. As described, the individual plant is not the friend, but rather the spirit of its species. I have no way to properly apprehend any of this.
- carapace 5y ago
  > As described, the individual plant is not the friend, but rather the spirit of its species. Aye. > I have no way to properly apprehend any of this. Sure you do! You're a living being too, eh? :) You've got all the hardware, you just need to learn the protocols. It's not that hard to learn, the hardest part is "letting your hair down" so to speak. Check out the recent scientific advances from Michael Levin's lab's work, e.g. "What Bodies Think About: Bioelectric Computation Outside the Nervous System" - NeurIPS 2018 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjD1aLm4Thg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjD1aLm4Thg https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18700328 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18700328 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18736698 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18736698 In a nutshell, whatever "thought" is, the biomolecular machinery that supports it is common to all cells (not just neurons.) In other words, all cellular life "thinks". Combine that insight with the "Law Of Regulatory Models" from Cybernetics, to wit: "every good regulator of a system must be (contain) a model of that system." and it seems to me that we have a solid basis to talk about "nature spirits", eh?
  - ncmncm 5y ago
    I would have to do the work to get the results, which involves a commitment. So, I did not mean that nobody can properly apprehend it, just myself. Somebody who did do the work was Monica Gagliano, and wrote it up in "Thus Spoke the Plant". https://bookshop.org/books/thus-spoke-the-plant-a-remarkable-journey-of-groundbreaking-scientific-discoveries-and-personal-encounters-with-plants-9781623172435/9781623172435 https://bookshop.org/books/thus-spoke-the-plant-a-remarkable...
    - carapace 5y ago
      Ah, sorry for the misunderstanding. That seems like a fascinating book.

It is hard to understand this, but it appears well-attested by individuals who had no other way to learn what they demonstrate knowing. As described, the individual plant is not the friend, but rather the spirit of its species. I have no way to properly apprehend any of this.

carapace 5y ago
> As described, the individual plant is not the friend, but rather the spirit of its species. Aye. > I have no way to properly apprehend any of this. Sure you do! You're a living being too, eh? :) You've got all the hardware, you just need to learn the protocols. It's not that hard to learn, the hardest part is "letting your hair down" so to speak. Check out the recent scientific advances from Michael Levin's lab's work, e.g. "What Bodies Think About: Bioelectric Computation Outside the Nervous System" - NeurIPS 2018 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjD1aLm4Thg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjD1aLm4Thg https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18700328 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18700328 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18736698 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18736698 In a nutshell, whatever "thought" is, the biomolecular machinery that supports it is common to all cells (not just neurons.) In other words, all cellular life "thinks". Combine that insight with the "Law Of Regulatory Models" from Cybernetics, to wit: "every good regulator of a system must be (contain) a model of that system." and it seems to me that we have a solid basis to talk about "nature spirits", eh?
- ncmncm 5y ago
  I would have to do the work to get the results, which involves a commitment. So, I did not mean that nobody can properly apprehend it, just myself. Somebody who did do the work was Monica Gagliano, and wrote it up in "Thus Spoke the Plant". https://bookshop.org/books/thus-spoke-the-plant-a-remarkable-journey-of-groundbreaking-scientific-discoveries-and-personal-encounters-with-plants-9781623172435/9781623172435 https://bookshop.org/books/thus-spoke-the-plant-a-remarkable...
  - carapace 5y ago
    Ah, sorry for the misunderstanding. That seems like a fascinating book.