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I'm going to assume good intent here and say you've been sucked into some white supremacist propaganda. This falls under the umbrella of "1350" [1]: > The numb

by jmyeet 5y ago

I'm going to assume good intent here and say you've been sucked into some white supremacist propaganda. This falls under the umbrella of "1350" [1]: > The number 13 used in conjunction with either the number 52 or the number 90 is a shorthand reference to racist propaganda claims by white supremacists against African-Americans to depict them as savage and criminal in nature. If anything, it's evidence of overpolicing. But this continues a centuries-old narrative that black people are violent and white people are a civilizing force. Both of these provided moral cover for slavery. This include religious figures justifying slavery as the slaves were being converted to Christianity and it would save their immortal souls. I hope, for your sake, you can deconstruct this propaganda you've been exposed to. [1]: https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/1352-1390 https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/1352-1...

Veen 5y ago
I too will assume good faith, and point out that you have not responded to the point about disparities in violent crime rates. All you've said is: "some white supremicists make the same argument". That's not a refutation, it's an attempt to brush the stats under the rug while smearing the person who asked the question.
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JamesBarney 5y ago
No one is arguing that Black Americans are inherently violent. They are arguing that "historical travesties" -> "current situation for Black Americans" -> "increased risks of criminality and violence" -> "more interactions with cops" -> "more deaths by police". Which requires different tools to solve than "cops are racist" -> "cops shoot more Black Americans". And if our goal is to actually help Black Americans than we need to be clear eyed about the causes even if that makes us uncomfortable.
at_a_remove 5y ago
Don't forget 8, 14, and 88. Soon, we shall fear all numbers as dogwhistles.

by jmyeet 5y ago

Veen 5y ago

I too will assume good faith, and point out that you have not responded to the point about disparities in violent crime rates. All you've said is: "some white supremicists make the same argument". That's not a refutation, it's an attempt to brush the stats under the rug while smearing the person who asked the question.

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JamesBarney 5y ago

No one is arguing that Black Americans are inherently violent. They are arguing that "historical travesties" -> "current situation for Black Americans" -> "increased risks of criminality and violence" -> "more interactions with cops" -> "more deaths by police". Which requires different tools to solve than "cops are racist" -> "cops shoot more Black Americans". And if our goal is to actually help Black Americans than we need to be clear eyed about the causes even if that makes us uncomfortable.

at_a_remove 5y ago

Don't forget 8, 14, and 88. Soon, we shall fear all numbers as dogwhistles.