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Begs the question: If you can be startled away by the someone breaking into your home and you reach for you gun and are shot dead by the police, do you really

Begs the question: If you can be startled away by the someone breaking into your home and you reach for you gun and are shot dead by the police, do you really have the right to bear arms? I would really love to see some laws that allow us to defend ourselves against police. If they decide to just beat my ass, they can and I can't defend myself. WTF!?

AlgorithmicTime 5y ago
gradschool 5y ago
The declaration of independence can be interpreted to mean that the government forfeits its legitimacy when it violates anyone's human rights. If the declaration of independence is considered legally binding then theoretically you could have a basis in law for fighting back against the police when they exceed their remit. I'm no lawyer but I remember something similar being brought up in the courtroom scene in the movie Good Will Hunting.
- shadowfacts 5y ago
  The Declaration of Independence is not legally binding.
njovin 5y ago
At some point there needs to be a supreme court decision that reconciles the legality of no-knock warrants with castle doctrine/self-defense/second-amendment. My understanding of the current state of things is that in some jurisdictions it's simultaneously legal for armed police to violently enter your home without identifying themselves and for you to defend your home by firing a weapon at them. Basically, we have legalized gunfights, as long as the police have a warrant. In almost all of these cases the police will "win" and therefor we essentially we have legalized murder where the police at least know they're about to get into a firefight whereas the suspect likely does not.
- ryathal 5y ago
  This basically requires someone to live through a no knock warrant and kill several police officers, which probably will never happen.
Clubber 5y ago
>If they decide to just beat my ass, they can and I can't defend myself. Kenneth Walker, Breonna Taylor's boyfriend was cleared of charges of shooting back at police. Had it not been as publicized he would probably be in jail though. It's possible but it's an uphill struggle, the system will defend itself any way possible. https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-56331483 https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-56331483

AlgorithmicTime 5y ago

gradschool 5y ago

The declaration of independence can be interpreted to mean that the government forfeits its legitimacy when it violates anyone's human rights. If the declaration of independence is considered legally binding then theoretically you could have a basis in law for fighting back against the police when they exceed their remit. I'm no lawyer but I remember something similar being brought up in the courtroom scene in the movie Good Will Hunting.

shadowfacts 5y ago
The Declaration of Independence is not legally binding.

njovin 5y ago

At some point there needs to be a supreme court decision that reconciles the legality of no-knock warrants with castle doctrine/self-defense/second-amendment. My understanding of the current state of things is that in some jurisdictions it's simultaneously legal for armed police to violently enter your home without identifying themselves and for you to defend your home by firing a weapon at them. Basically, we have legalized gunfights, as long as the police have a warrant. In almost all of these cases the police will "win" and therefor we essentially we have legalized murder where the police at least know they're about to get into a firefight whereas the suspect likely does not.

ryathal 5y ago
This basically requires someone to live through a no knock warrant and kill several police officers, which probably will never happen.

Clubber 5y ago

>If they decide to just beat my ass, they can and I can't defend myself. Kenneth Walker, Breonna Taylor's boyfriend was cleared of charges of shooting back at police. Had it not been as publicized he would probably be in jail though. It's possible but it's an uphill struggle, the system will defend itself any way possible. https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-56331483 https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-56331483