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A teenager is worried about: getting killed, killing someone else, hurting someone, wrecking their parents' car, losing their permit. I don't trust engineers wo
by Kye 5y ago
A teenager is worried about: getting killed, killing someone else, hurting someone, wrecking their parents' car, losing their permit. I don't trust engineers working on the models that drive these cars to teach a computer the difference between a human and an open road. A teenager can discern these with no effort. I trust a teenager to care about not hitting me and try their best, and to choose a ditch over hitting someone when the decision time comes.
- dgfitz 5y ago*A teenager is worried about only about themselves and their immediate happiness
- mhh__ 5y agoI think you'd be immediately unhappy if you crashed your parents car
- tremon 5y agoIn the typical teenager's mind, that would be after, not if
- mhh__ 5y agoWe are discussing a hypothetical teenager who doesn't exist, who knows? Besides, I had thousands of HN karma (the most important metric of maturity of course) when I was a teenager not very long ago.
- pempem 5y agoWas it an "if" in yours when you were a teenager? There are lots of strong statistical differences that are visible in the teenage population and trickle their way into insurance tables. Basically we could do a better job engendering concern from teenagers, its not some kind of inherent mental lack of capability.
- tremon 5y agoMy point was that worrying about hypothetical outcomes is not usually at the forefront of a teenager's mind. Sure, they will regret wrecking their parents' car, but that doesn't mean that they will avoid actions that might wreck said car.
- pempem 5y agoYup, got that. Female teenagers are way less likely to have wrecks (1) and if we assume its not driven by one's genitalia and rather by their conditioning - an assumption I hold, its something that can be taught. "In 2019, the motor vehicle death rate for male drivers aged 16–19 was over two times higher than the death rate for female drivers of the same age." 1. https://www.cdc.gov/transportationsafety/teen_drivers/teendrivers_factsheet.html https://www.cdc.gov/transportationsafety/teen_drivers/teendr...
- bo1024 5y agoTo add to your point: it doesn’t bother me so much that the AI system doesn’t share these priorities. What I worry about is that the companies designing them are not incentivized to.
- ricochet11 5y agosurely a company is absolutely incentivized to share these priorities? every accident is a hit to their profits and pr.
- pempem 5y agoI think Tesla has shown this fairly clearly to be untrue. It takes a hit if there isnt' a very solid marketing/pr/charismatic leader to distract
- bo1024 5y agoNo, because they can benefit even more from recklessness than the expected profit/PR damage. Someone already mentioned Tesla, but there is also the Volvo emissions scandal, Boeing's safety failures, and many more examples. At the extreme end, picture a company that manages to get an okay from the city of SF for public testing, but whose internal tests show there is a small but significant risk of serious accidents and the product needs another two years of development to be safe. Their funding runs out in one year. What do you think they would do?
- culopatin 5y agoThey might be worried but suck at risk evaluation so bad that the worry doesn’t really help.