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The vast majority of people I interact with only communicate with Facebook products. That has not stopped me from individually stating my ethical stance every s

by lrvick 5y ago

The vast majority of people I interact with only communicate with Facebook products. That has not stopped me from individually stating my ethical stance every single time it comes up, which has resulted in many moving to matrix so they can reach me. If you are fine with surveillance capitalism, then that is your choice, but if you have ethical problems with it, then you owe it to yourself to avoid living a lifestyle you find unethical. You absolutely have a choice to do something about it. No one physically forces you to hit "yes" on the Facebook license agreement. Personally, when I find someone that has ethical convincing I don't share, like a vegan, I at least take the time to understand their view, and ensure I don't create situations where they can't live their convictions. I respect people with conviction so long as it does not harm others. Maybe in order to be friends with a vegan I don't eat at BBQ restaurants as often, and they in turn use Matrix or email to communicate with me. Humans are often very accommodating of ethical preferences if you have the conviction to share them. Personally if I somehow found myself in a country where literally everyone refused to interact with me unless I accepted the Facebook terms of service, I would suspect I am in a cult and GTFO at almost all costs. If that is indeed the situation you are stuck in, I hope you find a way out of it.

em-bee 5y ago
Personally if I somehow found myself in a country where literally everyone refused to interact with me unless I accepted the Facebook terms of service, I would suspect I am in a cult and GTFO at almost all costs. not everyone has the option to leave their country. in fact most people don't have that option. and for those that can leave, in most cases family means leaving is not a decision they can make by themselves. and even if they could use alternative ways to communicate, if facebook were the only way to keep in touch with some family members, then refusing that would in itself be unethical. so talking about what is an ethical choice here is really really difficult. also, leaving is fine if you only want to communicate with people that agree with you. but if you want to reach out to others, you have to meet them where they are. FOSS or the awareness about surveillance capitalism is not going to spread much further if we refuse to communicate with people who won't accommodate our preferences.

by lrvick 5y ago

em-bee 5y ago

Personally if I somehow found myself in a country where literally everyone refused to interact with me unless I accepted the Facebook terms of service, I would suspect I am in a cult and GTFO at almost all costs. not everyone has the option to leave their country. in fact most people don't have that option. and for those that can leave, in most cases family means leaving is not a decision they can make by themselves. and even if they could use alternative ways to communicate, if facebook were the only way to keep in touch with some family members, then refusing that would in itself be unethical. so talking about what is an ethical choice here is really really difficult. also, leaving is fine if you only want to communicate with people that agree with you. but if you want to reach out to others, you have to meet them where they are. FOSS or the awareness about surveillance capitalism is not going to spread much further if we refuse to communicate with people who won't accommodate our preferences.