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I've already decided you're right, now we just need to find out how much room we leave for these topics.

imgabe 5y ago
The whole idea of free speech is that there is no “we” who decides what topics are allowed and “how much room” particular topics get. Free speech means it’s free, and people can talk about whatever they want, however much they want. If you don’t like what people are saying, you can use your free speech to explain why your ideas are better.
- krainboltgreene 5y ago
  Okay so your solution is to give as much room as phrenology wants. If it gets incredibly popular then so be it, let the masses think that certain races are less intelligent due to head sizes. Who could that possibly hurt.
  - imgabe 5y ago
    Phrenology already had its chance, man. Look, the apocalypse didn’t happen. You think you’re smart enough to determine which ideas should be allowed? How do you know you won’t be the Church burning Galileo at the stake? Hint: you don’t know that. That’s why you have some humility. Ultimately ideas that don’t work will fail.
    - krainboltgreene 5y ago
      I love people who haven't read a lick of history. Sure, Phrenology just died out on it's own. You got it.
      - imgabe 5y ago
        Enlighten me. Please do describe the concerted efforts by governments and institutions to ban discussion of phrenology. What was the punishment for unauthorized phrenology lectures? Are you not violating all these anti-phrenology laws right now by even bringing it up?
        krainboltgreene 5y ago
        > Phrenology was banned in Vienna for a variety of reasons, including the overenthusiasm of Gall's followers, and the treatment of women. https://soundideas.pugetsound.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1014&context=sntemp https://soundideas.pugetsound.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?refere... In fact in places where it wasn't banned it flourished.
        imgabe 5y ago
        > The ban seemed to make phrenology more popular, and it spread to other European countries. Literally the very next sentence. Banning things doesn’t work. Phrenology died out because it was openly discussed, debated, and debunked. If you are confident you can prove you’re right about an issue, you don’t need to ban anything, you just go ahead and prove that you’re right. When you start banning things people only take that as evidence that it’s some secret forbidden knowledge that threatens the existing power structure and they’re even more motivated to pursue it.

The whole idea of free speech is that there is no “we” who decides what topics are allowed and “how much room” particular topics get. Free speech means it’s free, and people can talk about whatever they want, however much they want. If you don’t like what people are saying, you can use your free speech to explain why your ideas are better.

krainboltgreene 5y ago
Okay so your solution is to give as much room as phrenology wants. If it gets incredibly popular then so be it, let the masses think that certain races are less intelligent due to head sizes. Who could that possibly hurt.
- imgabe 5y ago
  Phrenology already had its chance, man. Look, the apocalypse didn’t happen. You think you’re smart enough to determine which ideas should be allowed? How do you know you won’t be the Church burning Galileo at the stake? Hint: you don’t know that. That’s why you have some humility. Ultimately ideas that don’t work will fail.
  - krainboltgreene 5y ago
    I love people who haven't read a lick of history. Sure, Phrenology just died out on it's own. You got it.
    - imgabe 5y ago
      Enlighten me. Please do describe the concerted efforts by governments and institutions to ban discussion of phrenology. What was the punishment for unauthorized phrenology lectures? Are you not violating all these anti-phrenology laws right now by even bringing it up?
      - krainboltgreene 5y ago
        > Phrenology was banned in Vienna for a variety of reasons, including the overenthusiasm of Gall's followers, and the treatment of women. https://soundideas.pugetsound.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1014&context=sntemp https://soundideas.pugetsound.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?refere... In fact in places where it wasn't banned it flourished.
        imgabe 5y ago
        > The ban seemed to make phrenology more popular, and it spread to other European countries. Literally the very next sentence. Banning things doesn’t work. Phrenology died out because it was openly discussed, debated, and debunked. If you are confident you can prove you’re right about an issue, you don’t need to ban anything, you just go ahead and prove that you’re right. When you start banning things people only take that as evidence that it’s some secret forbidden knowledge that threatens the existing power structure and they’re even more motivated to pursue it.