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If a person did this they'd probably be in some serious trouble
by cdot2 4y ago
If a person did this they'd probably be in some serious trouble
- dgellow 4y agoIs it an euphemism for dead? /s
- cdot2 4y agono but you'd probably be arrested
- DennisP 4y agoNot necessarily, if you make your intentions clear, e.g. by slowing down and putting your hazards on.
- alisonkisk 4y ago
- sseagull 4y agoWell, most of the time. If the cop feels like it, they can make you have a very bad time. https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/7645474002 https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/7645474002 “An Arkansas woman says she had no safe place to pull over in July 2020 when a state trooper tried to stop her for speeding, so she turned on her hazard lights and slowed down. Moments later, the officer rammed her vehicle, causing it to flip over and injuring the woman”
- virgilp 4y agoI think I saw that video - don't get me wrong, the officer was definitely an asshole; but I can see why he was annoyed, there was in fact plenty of space &time for her to pull over.
- dsr_ 4y agoRemind us how what the police officer did wasn't vehicular assault and potentially homicide. Remind us how physical injury is a reasonable response to a traffic violation.
- virgilp 4y agoI don't want to defend him, what he did was *wrong*. He should absolutely face consequences for gross over-reaction. I never said his response was reasonable given the circumstances. But the way the story was presented was extremely biased. I believe the US cops are trained to actually use the "pit" maneuver to stop offenders who otherwise refuse to stop. In this case, he should've known better - but one can totally see how an asshole cop would interpret the situation as "lady is refusing to stop, I need to compel her to do so". I guess what I'm saying is that it wasn't a totally random act of unprovoked cop violence.
- dsr_ 4y agoI think that it doesn't matter whether it was 'provoked' or not: the police should be professionals who prioritize public safety above all else, and this is a total failure.
- virgilp 4y agoOk, let me retry: > An Arkansas woman says she had no safe place to pull over in July 2020 The Arkansas woman was lying. That's it. I was not defending the cop, and never did I claim he was behaving professionally. Still. The Arkansas woman was lying. She had plenty of safe space to pull over. Seemed relevant to me.
- Archelaos 4y agoIn my country this would be an illegal disproportionate action. Did the state trooper get away with this? If not, wouldn't it be time to change the law?
- colinmhayes 4y agoHaha of course he got away with it
- bhelkey 4y ago> Did the state trooper get away with this? Yes, he did [1]. > If not, wouldn't it be time to change the law? 'The [Arkansas State Police], as part of the settlement agreement, has agreed to change its Use of Force policy as it relates to PIT maneuvers and institute an “objective standard” required to justify the maneuver’s use versus the previous “subjective standard.”'[1]. I would argue that a more across the board set of changes is required. [1] https://www.kark.com/news/working4you/arkansas-state-police-settle-pit-maneuver-lawsuit-which-injured-pregnant-woman/ https://www.kark.com/news/working4you/arkansas-state-police-...
- MathCodeLove 4y agoRemove "most of the time". This narrative that police are boogeymen who will subject you to their emotional whims is so overplayed its not even funny any more. There may be 1 in 100 truly awful police men and women out there, just as their are truly awful people in every known profession. People share a viral, highly edited video on tiktok to make themselves look like the victim only for the entire world to pile on and go "wow yep police bad". There's a lot that could be improved in our judicial system, but you're not going to identify the areas that need improvement by sharing anecdotes of "Well this one time in Arkansas..."
- marcellus23 4y agoI suggest watching some videos of how police behaved during the protests a couple years ago. The Verge had an excellent compilation. It’s hardly one or two bad actors. My personal favorite was the police pulling parents out of a vehicle and beating them while their children watched — the car was just trying to turn around and get out of the protest area safely. Your argument might be more valid if these “bad apples” faced appropriate punishment, but they never do.
- MathCodeLove 4y agoI've seen plenty of those videos, and 9 times out of 10 if you're able to find the whole, unedited version of the video the officers actions suddenly seems much more reasonable. Not always, admittedly, but very often.
- mikestew 4y agoWith that many examples, it should be simple to post just one example to make your point. But unsubstantiated contrarianism typically does not contribute to a conversation.
- MathCodeLove 4y agoNo one else provided examples nor asked for any. Perhaps you should ask for examples instead of assuming I'm acting out of malice. Here's a link to the full video for probably the most widely recognized case in the history of police brutality, the killing of George Floyd. Does the context this video provides make the officers actions okay? No, I don't think so. Does it make those actions appear much, much more reasonable than it was made out to be on social media? Absolutely. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjKjaCvXdf4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjKjaCvXdf4
- Vladimof 4y agode-amped URL: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/06/10/arkansas-police-rammed-pregnant-womans-suv-traffic-stop-lawsuit/7645474002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/06/10/arkans... I thought that Google was supposed to stop the AMP project? can't they automatically redirect old AMP URLs to the correct real URL?
- dylan604 4y agoAs a teenager, I was pulled over for speeding. I slowed down, used the indicators to signal before changing lanes, then nearly came to a complete stop before realizing I was on the shoulder of a bridge. I suddenly realized that somewhere in driver's ed or a defensive driving course it was strongly suggested that stopping on a bridge is not allowed. I decided to continue pulling forward until a "safe" spot off the bridge. When the officer arrived at the window, he did question why I didn't stop at the original spot. After explaining, he said he appreciated the thought. I still received the ticket. Point of the story? Not every LEO is an asshole.
- AviationAtom 4y agoAssuming you aren't driving far, the police will generally understand, and appreciate your regard for their safety. I have seen people choose to pull over in the worst of spots, where I am almost certain the police would have appreciated them moving to a safer spot. As for the Arkansas lady, did you watch the video? IIRC, she went quite a ways before he PIT'd her. I would agree he shouldn't have done the PIT on her so soon, but it wasn't the case of her going a few hundred feet more.
- pie42000 4y agoAh yes, "one time in Arkansas" is now applicable to the situation at large. You'd think the HN crowd would be intelligent enough to not do this. This is akin to saying "this website doesn't load on the Nintendo DS web browser therefore..."
- iso1210 4y agoDepends on your skin color
- nullc 4y ago
- solarhoma 4y agoA comment like this has no place on HN.
- nullc 4y agoI apologize for creating offense.
- JasonFruit 4y agoGallows humor like this always has a place.
- solarhoma 4y agoIt was a low effort comment. If you want low effort you go to Reddit. HN has made a name for itself as being a place for rational thought with good, honest, and respectable discussion. Just my opinion of the site though.