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> If a teacher could not figure out how to communicate with a kid without routing those communications through Facebook servers, I would kindly teach them how e

> If a teacher could not figure out how to communicate with a kid without routing those communications through Facebook servers, I would kindly teach them how e-mail, matrix, or other neutral internet protocols work. And some (few) would appreciate your effort, but quite pragmatically have to acknowledge that there is no way they can support a classroom full of kids with those solutions, and that even if they could, it would get in the way of the curriculum. In the Netherlands too, WhatsApp is decidedly not (or only nominally) optional in high school. This is not something that can be solved by going to individual teachers (and really, most won't understand why you can't 'just' use WhatsApp); you need legislation to break open those silos and technological support at a national scale for non-commercial alternatives. The former is happening in the EU (so give it a few years before you can chat with people on WhatsApp without a smartphone from a Linux laptop, maybe); the latter is a non-starter in many countries due to government IT projects failing constantly.

rglullis 5y ago
> This is not something that can be solved by going to individual teachers Yes, it can. You just need to become part of the "intolerant minority" that refuses to give in. https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15 https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dict...
lrvick 5y ago
It should be illegal (if not already) to demand children accept data sharing agreements with private companies to participate in public education. That is what the teacher asking kids to use a Facebook product is doing. Speaking personally, if I end up with a kid in that situation, and they are limited in school in any way because they don't accept FAANG license agreements, I will take them to court and make a media shit show out of it. Something being "normal" in education doesn't make it right, or unchangeable. Not washing hands in hospitals was once normal, and a small minority of people needed to challenge those norms to set appropriate healthcare hygiene standards.
- chrisseaton 5y ago
  > and make a media shit show out of it I doubt anyone in the media will care as much as you think they will.
  - lrvick 5y ago
    The media will write about privacy issues if you hand them the right headline on a silver platter. See my "Japanese Robot hotel hack".

rglullis 5y ago

> This is not something that can be solved by going to individual teachers Yes, it can. You just need to become part of the "intolerant minority" that refuses to give in. https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15 https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dict...

lrvick 5y ago

It should be illegal (if not already) to demand children accept data sharing agreements with private companies to participate in public education. That is what the teacher asking kids to use a Facebook product is doing. Speaking personally, if I end up with a kid in that situation, and they are limited in school in any way because they don't accept FAANG license agreements, I will take them to court and make a media shit show out of it. Something being "normal" in education doesn't make it right, or unchangeable. Not washing hands in hospitals was once normal, and a small minority of people needed to challenge those norms to set appropriate healthcare hygiene standards.

chrisseaton 5y ago
> and make a media shit show out of it I doubt anyone in the media will care as much as you think they will.
- lrvick 5y ago
  The media will write about privacy issues if you hand them the right headline on a silver platter. See my "Japanese Robot hotel hack".