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What's actually disturbing is that more than 90% of the time this would be a "no knock" raid with paramiliterized police smashinng down the door, tossing in fla

What's actually disturbing is that more than 90% of the time this would be a "no knock" raid with paramiliterized police smashinng down the door, tossing in flash-bang grenades - the works. No knock should be reserved for extreme situations, not the norm.

pooper 5y ago
> No knock should be reserved for extreme situations, not the norm. At this point, I'd say no knock should be unlawful.
- withinboredom 5y ago
  Not knocking implies that you live there and have a right to utilize the residence which flies in the face of Amendment #3. The fact that they’re geared like the military, etc just makes this even more obvious to me. Add to the fact that police will be stationed there over multiple days to investigate the domicile… sounds like quartering to me.
  - pooper 5y ago
    It sounds to me that the US Congress is the only body that can ban these atrocities nationwide. Is this true? > Use of no-knock warrants has increased substantially over time. By one estimate, there were 1,500 annually in the early 1980s whereas by 2010 there were 60,000–70,000 no-knock or quick-knock raids conducted by local police annually, the majority of which were looking for marijuana. > Currently, Florida, Oregon, Tennessee, and Virginia ban no-knock warrants; however, state-level bans do not affect federal law enforcement. Thirteen states have laws explicitly permitting no-knock warrants, and the remaining states issue them based on a judge's discretion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-knock_warrant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-knock_warrant
    - shadowfacts 5y ago
      The Supreme Court could rule that no-knock warrants are unconstitutional, but that's not going to happen with this court, so yes, practically speaking, it's on Congress.
Skiiing 5y ago
I'm not from the USA, does the FBI usually throw in grenades when arresting people for insurance fraud? If not, then perhaps other lower-quality social-media websites such as Reddit/Twitter might be more receptive to your comments?
- boomboomsubban 5y ago
  Maybe not "usually" but regularly enough that it's worth mentioning.
  - lalopalota 5y ago
    I have never heard of an assault type entrance with flash bangs and such for anything unrelated to drug or violent crimes.
trasz 5y ago
For extreme situations American police can go much further than that: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/10/move-1985-bombing-reconciliation-philadelphia https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/10/move-1985-bo...

pooper 5y ago

> No knock should be reserved for extreme situations, not the norm. At this point, I'd say no knock should be unlawful.

withinboredom 5y ago
Not knocking implies that you live there and have a right to utilize the residence which flies in the face of Amendment #3. The fact that they’re geared like the military, etc just makes this even more obvious to me. Add to the fact that police will be stationed there over multiple days to investigate the domicile… sounds like quartering to me.
- pooper 5y ago
  It sounds to me that the US Congress is the only body that can ban these atrocities nationwide. Is this true? > Use of no-knock warrants has increased substantially over time. By one estimate, there were 1,500 annually in the early 1980s whereas by 2010 there were 60,000–70,000 no-knock or quick-knock raids conducted by local police annually, the majority of which were looking for marijuana. > Currently, Florida, Oregon, Tennessee, and Virginia ban no-knock warrants; however, state-level bans do not affect federal law enforcement. Thirteen states have laws explicitly permitting no-knock warrants, and the remaining states issue them based on a judge's discretion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-knock_warrant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-knock_warrant
  - shadowfacts 5y ago
    The Supreme Court could rule that no-knock warrants are unconstitutional, but that's not going to happen with this court, so yes, practically speaking, it's on Congress.

Skiiing 5y ago

I'm not from the USA, does the FBI usually throw in grenades when arresting people for insurance fraud? If not, then perhaps other lower-quality social-media websites such as Reddit/Twitter might be more receptive to your comments?

boomboomsubban 5y ago
Maybe not "usually" but regularly enough that it's worth mentioning.
- lalopalota 5y ago
  I have never heard of an assault type entrance with flash bangs and such for anything unrelated to drug or violent crimes.

trasz 5y ago

For extreme situations American police can go much further than that: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/10/move-1985-bombing-reconciliation-philadelphia https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/10/move-1985-bo...