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What short term thinking that would be! That's how companies die. They get captured by their customers and markets and they can't see change coming. Imagine if

What short term thinking that would be! That's how companies die. They get captured by their customers and markets and they can't see change coming. Imagine if Cloudflare stubbornly stuck to providing DDoS services and never considered the idea that there might be a solution to DDoS at the protocol level. We'd die if someone else came up with the technical solution to DDoS. So, it would both be better for the Internet and better for us if we were involved in killing off DDoS at whatever level possible. For example, on the network level we've pushed for BCP-38 over and over again to deal with spoofing. RFC 2267 is 24 years old (https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc2267 https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc2267)! But, yeah, sure, Cloudflare that is half that age is keeping all those DDoS attacks happening because they love the smell of $$$. Give me a fucking break.

teddyh 5y ago
> We'd die if someone else came up with the technical solution This reasoning does not prevent Google from slowly making itself irrelevant by changing the web to such an extent as to make its search algorithm impossible to get any useful results from. > For example, on the network level we've pushed for BCP-38 over and over again to deal with spoofing. That is a point in your favor, I will concede. > Give me a fucking break. Cloudflare is a huge company with more and more power over the entire internet, and it is constantly urging people to only use the internet through Cloudflare, in numerous ways. You do not get a “fucking break”.
dtaht 5y ago
I long ago made bcp38 and fq_codel available in openwrt. It would be great if cloudflare told more customers what better home routers they could use as a base. We also solved the bcp38-like problem ipv6 had by using source specific routing throughout openwrt. A lot of other router makers are still not doing this right. Turris gets it right, I know. It would be good to know what else cloudflare thinks would be a good set of DDOS protection features (route 666) home routers should have? Please add requests here: https://forum.openwrt.org/t/cerowrt-ii-would-anyone-care/110554/ https://forum.openwrt.org/t/cerowrt-ii-would-anyone-care/110...

teddyh 5y ago

> We'd die if someone else came up with the technical solution This reasoning does not prevent Google from slowly making itself irrelevant by changing the web to such an extent as to make its search algorithm impossible to get any useful results from. > For example, on the network level we've pushed for BCP-38 over and over again to deal with spoofing. That is a point in your favor, I will concede. > Give me a fucking break. Cloudflare is a huge company with more and more power over the entire internet, and it is constantly urging people to only use the internet through Cloudflare, in numerous ways. You do not get a “fucking break”.

dtaht 5y ago

I long ago made bcp38 and fq_codel available in openwrt. It would be great if cloudflare told more customers what better home routers they could use as a base. We also solved the bcp38-like problem ipv6 had by using source specific routing throughout openwrt. A lot of other router makers are still not doing this right. Turris gets it right, I know. It would be good to know what else cloudflare thinks would be a good set of DDOS protection features (route 666) home routers should have? Please add requests here: https://forum.openwrt.org/t/cerowrt-ii-would-anyone-care/110554/ https://forum.openwrt.org/t/cerowrt-ii-would-anyone-care/110...