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Those people are human beings that need to get somewhere, too, and the bus is the cheapest way for them to do it. That's why they're there, and weeding them out

Those people are human beings that need to get somewhere, too, and the bus is the cheapest way for them to do it. That's why they're there, and weeding them out with TSA isn't really the best solution IMO. I think hijackings are over because everyone now knows that if you pull a knife or a gun on an airport, you will immediately get taken down by literally everyone on the flight. People before 9/11 didn't realize the downside risk of a hijacking was a suicide crash. It was just unthinkable. Now that we know, it will never happen again. TSA is not a factor.

sandworm101 5y ago
You don't weed out the people, you weed out their drugs. The threat of being caught with drugs by a security guard means they don't bring their drugs with them onto the plane. Net result: fewer people currently on drugs sitting beside me while I try to sleep. I don't mind sleeping amongst a bunch of stranger on a plane or at an airport because I know they have at least been screened for basic weapons. Sleeping on an interstate bus or at a bus station is very different. See below. The knife in that killing would have been detected at any airport by even the laziest of TSA screeners. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Tim_McLean https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Tim_McLean
- gaadd33 5y ago
  So by preventing people from taking drugs on planes you are preventing terrorism? You do realize some airports have explicit policies on not looking or caring about drugs? Eg https://www.flylax.com/lax-marijuana-policy https://www.flylax.com/lax-marijuana-policy Also your example is from Canada where there is no TSA yet people don't do similar things on planes, it's not an ideal example.
  - Gibbon1 5y ago
    Yeah problem with tasking the TSA with busting people for carrying small amounts of drugs is because drugs are common and weapons are rare, and terrorists even rarer all they'll do then is look for drugs.
  - sandworm101 5y ago
    >>Canada where there is no TSA You really think that Canada doesn't have a TSA? They do. It is even called the CATSA, ie the CAnadian TSA. In fact, to comply pre-screening, CATSA is largely forced to mirror all US TSA rules. Literally the only difference between Canadian and American screening procedures is the colour of the uniforms. https://www.catsa-acsta.gc.ca/en/about-us https://www.catsa-acsta.gc.ca/en/about-us
    - gaadd33 5y ago
      Wow, they managed to reproduce the effectiveness of the TSA and lack of oversight in an entirely different legal system? That's impressive... Who do you have to petition to get off of their no fly list?
      - sidewndr46 5y ago
        It's a common law country (except for Quebec, apparently) with a heritage very similar to the US. Economically & militarily it's perpetually coupled to the US. Canada isn't much different except that central government has a stronger role.
- xkcd-sucks 5y ago
  TSA doesn't give a shit about drugs - """anecdotal evidence repeated to a degree that makes it real data""" suggests that they put drugs through their fancy MS machines, inspect them visually in secondary screening, etc. and allow them to pass through. Being a presentable looking person might have something to do with it.
- 8note 5y ago
  if they didnt bring their drugs kn the plane, the probably took them just before getting on, and are high by the time the airplane is taking off or once its at altitude.
- landemva 5y ago
  'I know they have at least been screened for basic weapons.' Bad assumption. Flight crews, terminal restaurant workers and gift shop workers, and maintenance people who go through back gate get to avoid the theater. And even TSA walk around their own theater. Who thinks bad people can't bribe or compel someone to carry a backpack around?
  - woodruffw 5y ago
    I agree completely about theater, but one note: I know a couple of people who have worked in airports (in food service), and all had to go through both a background check and normal security each day. I don’t believe for one moment that those measures are particularly effective, but airport service workers aren’t held to a different standard.

sandworm101 5y ago

You don't weed out the people, you weed out their drugs. The threat of being caught with drugs by a security guard means they don't bring their drugs with them onto the plane. Net result: fewer people currently on drugs sitting beside me while I try to sleep. I don't mind sleeping amongst a bunch of stranger on a plane or at an airport because I know they have at least been screened for basic weapons. Sleeping on an interstate bus or at a bus station is very different. See below. The knife in that killing would have been detected at any airport by even the laziest of TSA screeners. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Tim_McLean https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Tim_McLean

gaadd33 5y ago
So by preventing people from taking drugs on planes you are preventing terrorism? You do realize some airports have explicit policies on not looking or caring about drugs? Eg https://www.flylax.com/lax-marijuana-policy https://www.flylax.com/lax-marijuana-policy Also your example is from Canada where there is no TSA yet people don't do similar things on planes, it's not an ideal example.
- Gibbon1 5y ago
  Yeah problem with tasking the TSA with busting people for carrying small amounts of drugs is because drugs are common and weapons are rare, and terrorists even rarer all they'll do then is look for drugs.
- sandworm101 5y ago
  >>Canada where there is no TSA You really think that Canada doesn't have a TSA? They do. It is even called the CATSA, ie the CAnadian TSA. In fact, to comply pre-screening, CATSA is largely forced to mirror all US TSA rules. Literally the only difference between Canadian and American screening procedures is the colour of the uniforms. https://www.catsa-acsta.gc.ca/en/about-us https://www.catsa-acsta.gc.ca/en/about-us
  - gaadd33 5y ago
    Wow, they managed to reproduce the effectiveness of the TSA and lack of oversight in an entirely different legal system? That's impressive... Who do you have to petition to get off of their no fly list?
    - sidewndr46 5y ago
      It's a common law country (except for Quebec, apparently) with a heritage very similar to the US. Economically & militarily it's perpetually coupled to the US. Canada isn't much different except that central government has a stronger role.
xkcd-sucks 5y ago
TSA doesn't give a shit about drugs - """anecdotal evidence repeated to a degree that makes it real data""" suggests that they put drugs through their fancy MS machines, inspect them visually in secondary screening, etc. and allow them to pass through. Being a presentable looking person might have something to do with it.
8note 5y ago
if they didnt bring their drugs kn the plane, the probably took them just before getting on, and are high by the time the airplane is taking off or once its at altitude.
landemva 5y ago
'I know they have at least been screened for basic weapons.' Bad assumption. Flight crews, terminal restaurant workers and gift shop workers, and maintenance people who go through back gate get to avoid the theater. And even TSA walk around their own theater. Who thinks bad people can't bribe or compel someone to carry a backpack around?
- woodruffw 5y ago
  I agree completely about theater, but one note: I know a couple of people who have worked in airports (in food service), and all had to go through both a background check and normal security each day. I don’t believe for one moment that those measures are particularly effective, but airport service workers aren’t held to a different standard.