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Not only do people not care, they actively push down and belittle people who do. They'll say it's just something that's notmaly and anyone trying to change it s

by shados 5y ago

Not only do people not care, they actively push down and belittle people who do. They'll say it's just something that's notmaly and anyone trying to change it should move. Most source of noise pollution wouldnt be that hard to fix. Society just doesn't want to.

throw__away7391 5y ago
It's because almost all the noise in the modern world is caused by cars and motorcycles, and in the United States are prioritized over all other life forms.
- Gigachad 5y ago
  Imo it should become regulation that all cars have to have some audio transparency tech like headphones have. Then we would be able to lower the volume of emergency sirens which are obscenely loud to penetrate cars.
  - ben-schaaf 5y ago
    Massively reducing car usage is a much better solution with much more wide-spread benefits.
    - Gigachad 5y ago
      That as well. But it does feel very wrong that combustion engine users can emit huge amounts of noise and pollution while sitting in sound proof, HEPA filtered boxes.
      - jeffbee 5y ago
        The horn on automobiles should be mounted inside the cabin. They can make it as loud as they need to make it, but the person who hears it the loudest should be the driver.
        Reason077 5y ago
        I've often thought this should apply to motorcycles too. Motorcycle helmets would have speakers installed inside, wirelessly connected to the bike so that it produces realistic motorcycle sound effects when you operate the throttle. This way, motorcycle enthusiasts could have all of their "loud pipe" thrills while riding a clean, silent electric motorcycle and not disturbing their neighbors! For even more realism, vibrators could be installed in the seat to mimic a combustion engine's "vroom".
        jeffbee 5y ago
        You joke, but they do this in cars. https://motorandwheels.com/cars-with-active-sound-design/ https://motorandwheels.com/cars-with-active-sound-design/
    - wozniacki 5y ago
      These kinds of all-or-nothing approaches are not feasible - even in high-walkability scoring cities. Just look beyond your city's micro-core and see how reliant people are on cars - I'm talking places as diverse Oslo, Norway, Rome, Italy or Amsterdam, NL ( the HN bicyclist collective's favorite city ) [1] People rely on cars for very valid, strong & un-substitute-able reasons in 1000s of cities on this planet ( even without counting the countries in the developing world which are just now getting a taste of vehicular freedom ). HN represents a tiny slice of of an already small slice of wishful thinkers whose pipe dreams get a dose of reality the moment you step outside your NIMBY bubble. Even reduced car usage - in what is touted as the most bike-friendly city on earth at least here on HN - looks like this in the Baarsjes and Oud West neighborhoods of Amsterdam. Een rondje door de Baarsjes en Oud West. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN7ox6bxBlI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN7ox6bxBlI
  - kiliantics 5y ago
    this would also help stop people hooting unnecessarily, if they had to hear it themselves
- vegetablepotpie 5y ago
  The US preference for cars cuts DEEP, it’s at a cellular level. To share an anecdote, I went to order a sandwich at a fast food restaurant from the counter. After ordering I waited in the restaurant, watching the kitchen staff serve several cars in the drive through. After 10 minutes I just got frustrated, went back to the counter and asked for a refund. I got it and left. Later I talked to friends about the experience. Apparently restaurants collect metrics for drive through wait times, but not for orders at the counter. So of course managers have a preference to serve drive through customers. The restaurant I went to made no attempt to hide that preference. I feel like you need a car in the US to be treated normally.
  - tomjakubowski 5y ago
    Opposing anecdata: the not-so-secret secret to beating the lines at In-N-Out is to park and order inside or at the window. That's just because the drive thru lines there are always insane.
    - bombcar 5y ago
      In-n-out intentionally doesn't prioritize; the only thing that can get you "delayed" out of the order the order was received is if you have something special like cheese fries or a shake that can take extra processing.
  - InCityDreams 5y ago
    Burger King Manager confirmed the same to myself.
  - giraffe_lady 5y ago
    During that period last year when the vaccine started to be widely available but still a little tricky to schedule the city shut down my nearest free testing location. The next nearest was "in-car" and wouldn't test me on foot or bike, citing liability. The next next nearest was a 40 minute bus ride away, obviously a very reasonable choice when you suspect you have covid. I feel like this potentially illustrates several american social pathologies but probably best to stick to the car one for now.
- spacemadness 5y ago
  And this is one of the major reasons I’m hopeful for electric cars.
  - pandemicsoul 5y ago
    People will still be hobbyists with loud cars and motorcycles, though (at least in the US). We literally just need to legislate a package of laws that says people can't make loud noise with their vehicle, repeated offenses result in the vehicle being taken away, and anyone that modifies vehicles to make loud noise will be fined heavily.
    - spacemadness 5y ago
      I’m all for it it but unfortunately our local law enforcement in the bay couldn’t care less about enforcing existing noise violations for modded cars and motorcycles. So we can fill the books with laws but if they aren’t enforced it’s as if they don’t exist.
tayo42 5y ago
I had this "conversation" with my neighbor (it was more like me being yelled at) It kind of blew my mind they didnt care about noise interruptions at all hours and told me its my problem. Like maybe if you got a full night of sleep you wouldn't be so angry? I guess this study supports that. The noise in my current apartment is endless, car alarms, screaming and crying kids along with their loud toys, idling cars, the loudest ice cream truck idles for hours for some reason here, rancheras and bass from cars, instruments being practiced, the leaf blowers are horrible. it really sucks. and it feels like no one cares, but it feels so stressful, like physically too. and out doors is being ruined too. mostly by portable music. What i really dont understand is people identifying with being loud. i spent a couple weeks in puerto rico and was surprised that some people seemed to be loud on purpose.
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- lom 5y ago
  I can’t speak about puerto rico, but in another latin american country i’ve spent a lot of time in it’s very common for every small store to have a loudspeaker and blast (imo shitty) music from 10 to 5. That isn’t even bad compared to the many discos right next to each other than play music as loud as possible to not be dwarfed by their neighbor. Whenever I’m in a Western city I’m grateful for how much more quiet it is (relatively anyways), even with greater density and size.
  - tayo42 5y ago
    Hesitate to say it, but I think a lot of my current noise issues are because I moved into an immigrant Mexican community without realizing it. While I'm posting things that might sound bad, I think I've noticed a correlation with more noise and lower economic class people
    - artificial 5y ago
      How’s the honking? I’ve moved around quite a bit and shared some of your experience from the sound of it.
throwaway0a5e 5y ago
>Not only do people not care, they actively push down and belittle people who do. The venn diagram of "people willing to lift a finger about noise pollution" and "people who think they know what car you should drive, how long your lawn should be, how much water your washing machine should use and what temperature you should set your thermostat" is only a sliver away from being a circle. It's not at all surprising that people take a mental shortcut and just skip straight to the belittling step.
hinkley 5y ago
There is a whole cottage industry now of in-canal earplugs made of clear or nearly clear material. The better ones have a relatively flat response curve. Etymotic sells some they bill as meant for concert goers (though theirs are not as covert as newer brands). I have reports from multiple neurodiverse people about how much better they can deal with (loud) social obligations. One person diagnosed with ADHD is practically a different person with their earplugs in.
spacexsucks 5y ago
Leaf blowers. I hate those things with a passion

by shados 5y ago

throw__away7391 5y ago

It's because almost all the noise in the modern world is caused by cars and motorcycles, and in the United States are prioritized over all other life forms.

Gigachad 5y ago
Imo it should become regulation that all cars have to have some audio transparency tech like headphones have. Then we would be able to lower the volume of emergency sirens which are obscenely loud to penetrate cars.
- ben-schaaf 5y ago
  Massively reducing car usage is a much better solution with much more wide-spread benefits.
  - Gigachad 5y ago
    That as well. But it does feel very wrong that combustion engine users can emit huge amounts of noise and pollution while sitting in sound proof, HEPA filtered boxes.
    - jeffbee 5y ago
      The horn on automobiles should be mounted inside the cabin. They can make it as loud as they need to make it, but the person who hears it the loudest should be the driver.
      - Reason077 5y ago
        I've often thought this should apply to motorcycles too. Motorcycle helmets would have speakers installed inside, wirelessly connected to the bike so that it produces realistic motorcycle sound effects when you operate the throttle. This way, motorcycle enthusiasts could have all of their "loud pipe" thrills while riding a clean, silent electric motorcycle and not disturbing their neighbors! For even more realism, vibrators could be installed in the seat to mimic a combustion engine's "vroom".
        jeffbee 5y ago
        You joke, but they do this in cars. https://motorandwheels.com/cars-with-active-sound-design/ https://motorandwheels.com/cars-with-active-sound-design/
  - wozniacki 5y ago
    These kinds of all-or-nothing approaches are not feasible - even in high-walkability scoring cities. Just look beyond your city's micro-core and see how reliant people are on cars - I'm talking places as diverse Oslo, Norway, Rome, Italy or Amsterdam, NL ( the HN bicyclist collective's favorite city ) [1] People rely on cars for very valid, strong & un-substitute-able reasons in 1000s of cities on this planet ( even without counting the countries in the developing world which are just now getting a taste of vehicular freedom ). HN represents a tiny slice of of an already small slice of wishful thinkers whose pipe dreams get a dose of reality the moment you step outside your NIMBY bubble. Even reduced car usage - in what is touted as the most bike-friendly city on earth at least here on HN - looks like this in the Baarsjes and Oud West neighborhoods of Amsterdam. Een rondje door de Baarsjes en Oud West. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN7ox6bxBlI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN7ox6bxBlI
- kiliantics 5y ago
  this would also help stop people hooting unnecessarily, if they had to hear it themselves
vegetablepotpie 5y ago
The US preference for cars cuts DEEP, it’s at a cellular level. To share an anecdote, I went to order a sandwich at a fast food restaurant from the counter. After ordering I waited in the restaurant, watching the kitchen staff serve several cars in the drive through. After 10 minutes I just got frustrated, went back to the counter and asked for a refund. I got it and left. Later I talked to friends about the experience. Apparently restaurants collect metrics for drive through wait times, but not for orders at the counter. So of course managers have a preference to serve drive through customers. The restaurant I went to made no attempt to hide that preference. I feel like you need a car in the US to be treated normally.
- tomjakubowski 5y ago
  Opposing anecdata: the not-so-secret secret to beating the lines at In-N-Out is to park and order inside or at the window. That's just because the drive thru lines there are always insane.
  - bombcar 5y ago
    In-n-out intentionally doesn't prioritize; the only thing that can get you "delayed" out of the order the order was received is if you have something special like cheese fries or a shake that can take extra processing.
- InCityDreams 5y ago
  Burger King Manager confirmed the same to myself.
- giraffe_lady 5y ago
  During that period last year when the vaccine started to be widely available but still a little tricky to schedule the city shut down my nearest free testing location. The next nearest was "in-car" and wouldn't test me on foot or bike, citing liability. The next next nearest was a 40 minute bus ride away, obviously a very reasonable choice when you suspect you have covid. I feel like this potentially illustrates several american social pathologies but probably best to stick to the car one for now.
spacemadness 5y ago
And this is one of the major reasons I’m hopeful for electric cars.
- pandemicsoul 5y ago
  People will still be hobbyists with loud cars and motorcycles, though (at least in the US). We literally just need to legislate a package of laws that says people can't make loud noise with their vehicle, repeated offenses result in the vehicle being taken away, and anyone that modifies vehicles to make loud noise will be fined heavily.
  - spacemadness 5y ago
    I’m all for it it but unfortunately our local law enforcement in the bay couldn’t care less about enforcing existing noise violations for modded cars and motorcycles. So we can fill the books with laws but if they aren’t enforced it’s as if they don’t exist.

tayo42 5y ago

I had this "conversation" with my neighbor (it was more like me being yelled at) It kind of blew my mind they didnt care about noise interruptions at all hours and told me its my problem. Like maybe if you got a full night of sleep you wouldn't be so angry? I guess this study supports that. The noise in my current apartment is endless, car alarms, screaming and crying kids along with their loud toys, idling cars, the loudest ice cream truck idles for hours for some reason here, rancheras and bass from cars, instruments being practiced, the leaf blowers are horrible. it really sucks. and it feels like no one cares, but it feels so stressful, like physically too. and out doors is being ruined too. mostly by portable music. What i really dont understand is people identifying with being loud. i spent a couple weeks in puerto rico and was surprised that some people seemed to be loud on purpose.

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lom 5y ago
I can’t speak about puerto rico, but in another latin american country i’ve spent a lot of time in it’s very common for every small store to have a loudspeaker and blast (imo shitty) music from 10 to 5. That isn’t even bad compared to the many discos right next to each other than play music as loud as possible to not be dwarfed by their neighbor. Whenever I’m in a Western city I’m grateful for how much more quiet it is (relatively anyways), even with greater density and size.
- tayo42 5y ago
  Hesitate to say it, but I think a lot of my current noise issues are because I moved into an immigrant Mexican community without realizing it. While I'm posting things that might sound bad, I think I've noticed a correlation with more noise and lower economic class people
  - artificial 5y ago
    How’s the honking? I’ve moved around quite a bit and shared some of your experience from the sound of it.

throwaway0a5e 5y ago

>Not only do people not care, they actively push down and belittle people who do. The venn diagram of "people willing to lift a finger about noise pollution" and "people who think they know what car you should drive, how long your lawn should be, how much water your washing machine should use and what temperature you should set your thermostat" is only a sliver away from being a circle. It's not at all surprising that people take a mental shortcut and just skip straight to the belittling step.

hinkley 5y ago

There is a whole cottage industry now of in-canal earplugs made of clear or nearly clear material. The better ones have a relatively flat response curve. Etymotic sells some they bill as meant for concert goers (though theirs are not as covert as newer brands). I have reports from multiple neurodiverse people about how much better they can deal with (loud) social obligations. One person diagnosed with ADHD is practically a different person with their earplugs in.

spacexsucks 5y ago

Leaf blowers. I hate those things with a passion