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> In creating an us-vs-them mentality I think Paul may inadvertently be adding to the actual biggest problem in civilized discourse these days — weaponized vict

> In creating an us-vs-them mentality I think Paul may inadvertently be adding to the actual biggest problem in civilized discourse these days — weaponized victimization and othering. It's just plain old tribalist hypocrisy: people Graham agrees with are encouraged to weaponize their victimization, while people he disagrees with are denied. First-degree intolerance (including but not limited to "x-ism") is acceptable in any amount, second-degree intolerance (intolerance of intolerance) is verboten.

tomcam 5y ago
> people Graham agrees with are encouraged to weaponize their victimization, while people he disagrees with are denied. Where do you get that from the original post? I am not seeing it.
- rectang 5y ago
  People Graham agrees with who are encouraged to weaponize their victimization: those supposedly accused of "heresy" for their "x-ist" utterances. People Graham disagrees with who are denied: those who speak out about "x-ist" utterances, whom he characterizes as "heretic hunters".
  - tomcam 5y ago
    > People Graham agrees with who are encouraged to weaponize their victimization Just not seeing what you are seeing. Thank you though.
  - FerociousTimes 5y ago
    Do you mean "victimization" or "victimhood"?
  - BobbyJo 5y ago
    I think it's the part where a promotion of weaponization is claimed. I'm not seeing that either. Is it weaponization of victimhood to disagree, and warn others of the hallmarks of a problematic position? I don't think anyone was confused about who the 'us' and 'them' are. Every group casts a shadow, so it's hard to talk about a 'they' without there being an 'us'.
    - rectang 5y ago
      The weaponized victimhood is used browbeat critics and to ensure that whatever "x-ist" phenomenon someone may be speaking out persists unchallenged. "Xs are the real x-ists, and truth-telling heretics are the heros".
Natsu 5y ago
The degrees are more a matter of perspective than fact, though. Christians consider Satanists the intolerant ones and vice-versa. Both can be claimed to be voluntary association, but if one isn't a choice, then neither is the other.

tomcam 5y ago

> people Graham agrees with are encouraged to weaponize their victimization, while people he disagrees with are denied. Where do you get that from the original post? I am not seeing it.

rectang 5y ago
People Graham agrees with who are encouraged to weaponize their victimization: those supposedly accused of "heresy" for their "x-ist" utterances. People Graham disagrees with who are denied: those who speak out about "x-ist" utterances, whom he characterizes as "heretic hunters".
- tomcam 5y ago
  > People Graham agrees with who are encouraged to weaponize their victimization Just not seeing what you are seeing. Thank you though.
- FerociousTimes 5y ago
  Do you mean "victimization" or "victimhood"?
- BobbyJo 5y ago
  I think it's the part where a promotion of weaponization is claimed. I'm not seeing that either. Is it weaponization of victimhood to disagree, and warn others of the hallmarks of a problematic position? I don't think anyone was confused about who the 'us' and 'them' are. Every group casts a shadow, so it's hard to talk about a 'they' without there being an 'us'.
  - rectang 5y ago
    The weaponized victimhood is used browbeat critics and to ensure that whatever "x-ist" phenomenon someone may be speaking out persists unchallenged. "Xs are the real x-ists, and truth-telling heretics are the heros".

Natsu 5y ago

The degrees are more a matter of perspective than fact, though. Christians consider Satanists the intolerant ones and vice-versa. Both can be claimed to be voluntary association, but if one isn't a choice, then neither is the other.