4 ms·

> I can assure you, controlling everything is the last thing Apple wants. Apple is not proprietary. Hell, Mac OS X is the most popular open sourced operating sy

> I can assure you, controlling everything is the last thing Apple wants. Apple is not proprietary. Hell, Mac OS X is the most popular open sourced operating system on the planet. The Safari web browser is just a thin shell around webkit. Apple could have kept both closed and innovated on them, instead they innovate on them and give them away (and yet so called "open source" fans actually complain about this.) Wow! This is great news. I've been waiting for this to happen so that I can go ahead an run OS X on any computer I choose. Kindly point me to the link? I would have guessed it was at http://opensource.apple.com http://opensource.apple.com but alas, that's just a random assortment of parts which I'm limited to using for "internal research and development".

danilocampos 15y ago
Gotta be careful with sarcasm. Done right, everyone grins with wry amusement. Sadly, it's much easier to do wrong, and you end up dancing around your point instead of making it persuasively and directly. Brevity helps.
- efsavage 15y ago
  Not trying to be persuasive, I was just entertained by seeing Apple fanboyism raised to the point where people think OS X is now open source, and figured I'd have some fun and spend a few points on the inevitable downvotes.
  - danilocampos 15y ago
    > Not trying to be persuasive Ah, in that case, bravo!
Terretta 15y ago
> Wow! This is great news. I've been waiting for this to happen so that I can go ahead an run OS X on any computer I choose. Kindly point me to the link? I would have guessed it was at http://opensource.apple.com http://opensource.apple.com ... You have the URL wrong. I will kindly point you to a link: http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page It's not "any computer you choose", but any desktop or laptop with hardware components that are supported. Did you know Windows Server 2008 doesn't have drivers for early Intel Gigabit Server NICs, so you can't run that OS on an unsupported computer? Just as you can't run Windows on "any computer you choose", only on ones with supported hardware, it's the same thing with OS X. Another link, laptops this time: http://www.mymacnetbook.com/compatibility-chart/ http://www.mymacnetbook.com/compatibility-chart/ The following listings of Hackintosh compatible computers, parts, motherboards and drivers (kexts) should be helpful in your endeavor: http://www.hackintosh.com/#hackintosh_compatible http://www.hackintosh.com/#hackintosh_compatible Happy hacking! // Yes, I realize your request for a link was rhetorical.
- efsavage 15y ago
  > It's not "any computer you choose", but any desktop or laptop with hardware components that are supported. Did you know Windows Server 2008 doesn't have drivers for early Intel Gigabit Server NICs, so you can't run that OS on an unsupported computer? Just as you can't run Windows on "any computer you choose", only on ones with supported hardware, it's the same thing with OS X. Nobody said that Windows was open source or could run on any computer. However, as I type in a Windows vm running on a computer assembled from commodity hardware, I can honestly say that are certainly a much larger number of choices, since neither of those are options with OS X. The Hackintosh stuff is not really relevant either as a) it is not open source, and b) violates the EULA of OS X. I won't go so far as to say it's "illegal" but I don't see any overriding moral reason to violate Apple's wishes here. "You agree not to install, use or run the Apple Software on any non-Apple-labeled computer, or to enable others to do so." http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/macosx105.pdf http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/macosx105.pdf
  - tjogin 15y ago
    Open Source does not imply platform independence.
  - Terretta 15y ago
    > However, as I type in a Windows vm running on a computer assembled from commodity hardware, I can honestly say that are certainly a much larger number of choices, since neither of those are options with OS X. On the contrary, running in a VM, and running in a VM on a computer assembled from commodity hardware, are both certainly options with OS X. Running both server and desktop OS X in a VM is now even allowed in the EULA, which previously only authorized virtualizing OS X Server. If you want to run it in a VM under Windows 7 (granted, not in the EULA), here's a link: Install OS X Snow Leopard in VMware Windows 7 http://www.redmondpie.com/how-to-install-os-x-snow-leopard-in-vmware-windows-7-9140301/ http://www.redmondpie.com/how-to-install-os-x-snow-leopard-i...
    - efsavage 15y ago
      I stand partially corrected, you can apparently run OS X in a VM, but only on an OS X machine you buy from Apple. "to install, use and run up to two (2) additional copies or instances of the Apple Software within virtual operating system environments on each Mac Computer you own or control that is already running the Apple Software" So no, unless I missed something, you cannot run it in VMWare Workstation, and I still cannot run it on the $1800 (including Win 7 Pro) box I put together that has better specs than a $4500+ Mac Pro.
freemarketteddy 15y ago
Open Source = Open + Source

danilocampos 15y ago

Gotta be careful with sarcasm. Done right, everyone grins with wry amusement. Sadly, it's much easier to do wrong, and you end up dancing around your point instead of making it persuasively and directly. Brevity helps.

efsavage 15y ago
Not trying to be persuasive, I was just entertained by seeing Apple fanboyism raised to the point where people think OS X is now open source, and figured I'd have some fun and spend a few points on the inevitable downvotes.
- danilocampos 15y ago
  > Not trying to be persuasive Ah, in that case, bravo!

Terretta 15y ago

> Wow! This is great news. I've been waiting for this to happen so that I can go ahead an run OS X on any computer I choose. Kindly point me to the link? I would have guessed it was at http://opensource.apple.com http://opensource.apple.com ... You have the URL wrong. I will kindly point you to a link: http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page It's not "any computer you choose", but any desktop or laptop with hardware components that are supported. Did you know Windows Server 2008 doesn't have drivers for early Intel Gigabit Server NICs, so you can't run that OS on an unsupported computer? Just as you can't run Windows on "any computer you choose", only on ones with supported hardware, it's the same thing with OS X. Another link, laptops this time: http://www.mymacnetbook.com/compatibility-chart/ http://www.mymacnetbook.com/compatibility-chart/ The following listings of Hackintosh compatible computers, parts, motherboards and drivers (kexts) should be helpful in your endeavor: http://www.hackintosh.com/#hackintosh_compatible http://www.hackintosh.com/#hackintosh_compatible Happy hacking! // Yes, I realize your request for a link was rhetorical.

efsavage 15y ago
> It's not "any computer you choose", but any desktop or laptop with hardware components that are supported. Did you know Windows Server 2008 doesn't have drivers for early Intel Gigabit Server NICs, so you can't run that OS on an unsupported computer? Just as you can't run Windows on "any computer you choose", only on ones with supported hardware, it's the same thing with OS X. Nobody said that Windows was open source or could run on any computer. However, as I type in a Windows vm running on a computer assembled from commodity hardware, I can honestly say that are certainly a much larger number of choices, since neither of those are options with OS X. The Hackintosh stuff is not really relevant either as a) it is not open source, and b) violates the EULA of OS X. I won't go so far as to say it's "illegal" but I don't see any overriding moral reason to violate Apple's wishes here. "You agree not to install, use or run the Apple Software on any non-Apple-labeled computer, or to enable others to do so." http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/macosx105.pdf http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/macosx105.pdf
- tjogin 15y ago
  Open Source does not imply platform independence.
- Terretta 15y ago
  > However, as I type in a Windows vm running on a computer assembled from commodity hardware, I can honestly say that are certainly a much larger number of choices, since neither of those are options with OS X. On the contrary, running in a VM, and running in a VM on a computer assembled from commodity hardware, are both certainly options with OS X. Running both server and desktop OS X in a VM is now even allowed in the EULA, which previously only authorized virtualizing OS X Server. If you want to run it in a VM under Windows 7 (granted, not in the EULA), here's a link: Install OS X Snow Leopard in VMware Windows 7 http://www.redmondpie.com/how-to-install-os-x-snow-leopard-in-vmware-windows-7-9140301/ http://www.redmondpie.com/how-to-install-os-x-snow-leopard-i...
  - efsavage 15y ago
    I stand partially corrected, you can apparently run OS X in a VM, but only on an OS X machine you buy from Apple. "to install, use and run up to two (2) additional copies or instances of the Apple Software within virtual operating system environments on each Mac Computer you own or control that is already running the Apple Software" So no, unless I missed something, you cannot run it in VMWare Workstation, and I still cannot run it on the $1800 (including Win 7 Pro) box I put together that has better specs than a $4500+ Mac Pro.

freemarketteddy 15y ago

Open Source = Open + Source