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> Routers work because ISPs require them. ISPs however aren’t fond of supporting the home server use case. This is the obvious and simplest solution. A built-i

> Routers work because ISPs require them. ISPs however aren’t fond of supporting the home server use case. This is the obvious and simplest solution. A built-in self-hosting platform right in the router, extensible with an external USB drive if the user needs it. But ISP's are notoriously terrible at everything and certainly can't be trusted with something like this.

BlueTemplar 5y ago
Why not ? Free (for instance) went pretty far in this direction 11 years ago (v6) : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freebox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freebox
- discardedrefuse 5y ago
  ISP's can't be trusted with the firmware on their current routers. Do you really want them in charge of your internet facing services in your home?
  - LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
    O RLY? https://floss.freebox.fr/ https://floss.freebox.fr/ Edité: Liberté, égalité, cyberité!
    - discardedrefuse 5y ago
      Yes, really. https://forums.att.com/conversations/att-fiber-equipment/possible-vulnerability-pace-5268ac-leaves-wifi-radio-on-with-no-security-even-when-is-set-to-off/5defd50fbad5f2f6062df285 https://forums.att.com/conversations/att-fiber-equipment/pos...
      - LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
        Yes, shit happens. Use another device. Or another ISP. Or get a bizniz line where you can spec a device of your choice? Or move? Or use StarLink? (Did you notice the source in my link?(at all?))
        discardedrefuse 5y ago
        > Use another device. I did. It has its own slew of problems. > Or another ISP. ISPs hold monopolies in many areas of the US. > Or get a bizniz line Not always available. Too expensive when it is. > Or move? Is this a joke? > Or use StarLink? Waiting list. Expensive. Latency. > Did you notice the source in my link?(at all?) Did you really expect me to read the source code from a bunch of patches for a french modem and gain some kind of magical insight?
        LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
        > Did you really expect... Err, nope? I just posted that link to show you that it doesn't have to be like you said, especially not for the device in question. > ISPs hold monopolies... They did, and sometimes still do elsewhere too. I don't give a shit, since I don't live in "free 3rd-worldistan with nukez, carz, and screaming lunatics on crack, or whatever else". > Is this a joke? Not at all. Totally serious. It's the thing to do, to escape learned helplessness.

BlueTemplar 5y ago

Why not ? Free (for instance) went pretty far in this direction 11 years ago (v6) : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freebox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freebox

discardedrefuse 5y ago
ISP's can't be trusted with the firmware on their current routers. Do you really want them in charge of your internet facing services in your home?
- LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
  O RLY? https://floss.freebox.fr/ https://floss.freebox.fr/ Edité: Liberté, égalité, cyberité!
  - discardedrefuse 5y ago
    Yes, really. https://forums.att.com/conversations/att-fiber-equipment/possible-vulnerability-pace-5268ac-leaves-wifi-radio-on-with-no-security-even-when-is-set-to-off/5defd50fbad5f2f6062df285 https://forums.att.com/conversations/att-fiber-equipment/pos...
    - LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
      Yes, shit happens. Use another device. Or another ISP. Or get a bizniz line where you can spec a device of your choice? Or move? Or use StarLink? (Did you notice the source in my link?(at all?))
      - discardedrefuse 5y ago
        > Use another device. I did. It has its own slew of problems. > Or another ISP. ISPs hold monopolies in many areas of the US. > Or get a bizniz line Not always available. Too expensive when it is. > Or move? Is this a joke? > Or use StarLink? Waiting list. Expensive. Latency. > Did you notice the source in my link?(at all?) Did you really expect me to read the source code from a bunch of patches for a french modem and gain some kind of magical insight?
        LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
        > Did you really expect... Err, nope? I just posted that link to show you that it doesn't have to be like you said, especially not for the device in question. > ISPs hold monopolies... They did, and sometimes still do elsewhere too. I don't give a shit, since I don't live in "free 3rd-worldistan with nukez, carz, and screaming lunatics on crack, or whatever else". > Is this a joke? Not at all. Totally serious. It's the thing to do, to escape learned helplessness.