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> No. No one in their right mind wants to "craft filters". You should strongly question this assumption because I am a living counterexample. Before I discover

> No. No one in their right mind wants to "craft filters". You should strongly question this assumption because I am a living counterexample. Before I discovered this tool, I wanted to be able to write the filters so badly I even started to develop a tool that allowed this (called Infinitix) that provided only one basic thing: ability to apply filters on a single list of tickets, and then save or share that filter to other members of your org. Regardless of whether you think "you've failed" if you develop this, I'm sure photographers thought the same thing about Photoshop when it was created. (No, this product never fully materialized, luckily I didn't have to build it because I found out about the existence of Shortcut.) It would have been the simplest task management system possible, in a way. I don't care if the autocompletions are there, what I care about is having control instead of my system administrator or manager having control, and being able to run whatever query at whatever time I want to. In other words, I want to control the tool rather than it control me, and I also want a tool (instead of TODO.txt, the anti-tool approach to task management).

dmitriid 5y ago
> You should strongly question this assumption because I am a living counterexample. One counterexample in an ocean of examples doesn't amount to much. > Regardless of whether you think "you've failed" if you develop this, I'm sure photographers thought the same thing about Photoshop If only you could have the will to abstain from inapplicable analogies > I don't care if the autocompletions are there, what I care about is having control Yeah that's a very shitty control you have. If you really need "mathematical definition of filters", make sure they are, you know, useful. See short video: https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipOFZ9y-R-tu0XCMfOhqdRW_ZQQXeJmWe_k2Sx00nwL7BP1oEyExurxb8DFee_DVug/photo/AF1QipO9n8-TJitAP3oL28n17ka4PmoXb9c0x47On944?key=aXRWclZxTkdwTHJra2xKdkZLOTRacE1VOHZoYmVB https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipOFZ9y-R-tu0XCMfOhqdRW_... (switch to 1080p if needed)
- ironmagma 5y ago
  `state:unscheduled` works just fine, I tested it before writing this comment. There's no limit to the variety of analogies you can dismiss if you simply allow yourself to declare them inapplicable. As for control, it sounds good to me. Honestly, not being able to run reporting is a feature from a developer's perspective.
  - dmitriid 5y ago
    > `state:unscheduled` works just fine, I tested it before writing this comment. You clearly didn't understand what I showed you. Watch the video again. > There's no limit to the variety of analogies you can dismiss if you simply allow yourself to declare them inapplicable Of course. Analogies never work they way you think they work. At best analogies are dubious claims that need to be proven. You equated Shortcuts to Photoshop, and that analogy is not even tenuous. It's false. > As for control, it sounds good to me. Honestly, not being able to run reporting is a feature WHo said anything about reporting? Oh wait, no one, except you.
    - ironmagma 5y ago
      No one said anything about autocompletion either, yet here we are. I'm a bit done here since you are one of these people who refuse to use analogies to inform their thinking. Suffice it to say, many billions of people over the years have found analogies to be a useful endeavor, and nothing about this particular situation is any different. If you really need it spelled out to you, Douglas Hofstadter has a good talk about analogy as a basis of cognition on YouTube.
      - dmitriid 5y ago
        > No one said anything about autocompletion either, yet here we are. We were talking about filters, and this is directly related to the filter functionality that you're so intent on defending. > I'm a bit done here since you are one of these people who refuse to use analogies to inform their thinking. I don't refuse to use analogies. However, I refuse to use false analogies, and I also refuse to use only analogies to inform my thinking. I prefer facts over analogies. > many billions of people over the years have found analogies to be a useful endeavor And once again you're veering into some completely unrelated tangent that no one is talking about. > Douglas Hofstadter has a good talk about analogy If only you had the will and comprehension to keep with the topic at hand without resorting to inventing arguments for other people, overusing false and inapplicable analogies etc.

dmitriid 5y ago

> You should strongly question this assumption because I am a living counterexample. One counterexample in an ocean of examples doesn't amount to much. > Regardless of whether you think "you've failed" if you develop this, I'm sure photographers thought the same thing about Photoshop If only you could have the will to abstain from inapplicable analogies > I don't care if the autocompletions are there, what I care about is having control Yeah that's a very shitty control you have. If you really need "mathematical definition of filters", make sure they are, you know, useful. See short video: https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipOFZ9y-R-tu0XCMfOhqdRW_ZQQXeJmWe_k2Sx00nwL7BP1oEyExurxb8DFee_DVug/photo/AF1QipO9n8-TJitAP3oL28n17ka4PmoXb9c0x47On944?key=aXRWclZxTkdwTHJra2xKdkZLOTRacE1VOHZoYmVB https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipOFZ9y-R-tu0XCMfOhqdRW_... (switch to 1080p if needed)

ironmagma 5y ago
`state:unscheduled` works just fine, I tested it before writing this comment. There's no limit to the variety of analogies you can dismiss if you simply allow yourself to declare them inapplicable. As for control, it sounds good to me. Honestly, not being able to run reporting is a feature from a developer's perspective.
- dmitriid 5y ago
  > `state:unscheduled` works just fine, I tested it before writing this comment. You clearly didn't understand what I showed you. Watch the video again. > There's no limit to the variety of analogies you can dismiss if you simply allow yourself to declare them inapplicable Of course. Analogies never work they way you think they work. At best analogies are dubious claims that need to be proven. You equated Shortcuts to Photoshop, and that analogy is not even tenuous. It's false. > As for control, it sounds good to me. Honestly, not being able to run reporting is a feature WHo said anything about reporting? Oh wait, no one, except you.
  - ironmagma 5y ago
    No one said anything about autocompletion either, yet here we are. I'm a bit done here since you are one of these people who refuse to use analogies to inform their thinking. Suffice it to say, many billions of people over the years have found analogies to be a useful endeavor, and nothing about this particular situation is any different. If you really need it spelled out to you, Douglas Hofstadter has a good talk about analogy as a basis of cognition on YouTube.
    - dmitriid 5y ago
      > No one said anything about autocompletion either, yet here we are. We were talking about filters, and this is directly related to the filter functionality that you're so intent on defending. > I'm a bit done here since you are one of these people who refuse to use analogies to inform their thinking. I don't refuse to use analogies. However, I refuse to use false analogies, and I also refuse to use only analogies to inform my thinking. I prefer facts over analogies. > many billions of people over the years have found analogies to be a useful endeavor And once again you're veering into some completely unrelated tangent that no one is talking about. > Douglas Hofstadter has a good talk about analogy If only you had the will and comprehension to keep with the topic at hand without resorting to inventing arguments for other people, overusing false and inapplicable analogies etc.