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If I said: 1. "Fuck Jesus, fuck America, kill all men." 2. "Fuck BLM, fuck diversity." Which one do you think would get me cancelled? Conservatives have com

If I said: 1. "Fuck Jesus, fuck America, kill all men." 2. "Fuck BLM, fuck diversity." Which one do you think would get me cancelled? Conservatives have comically little social power. Further, you can basically say anything you want around them, while conversations with the average liberal are a careful affair. Perhaps though I am blind. Are there contemporary instances of conservative driven cancellations? The definition I like of cancellation is: removing privileges from a person when their qualities do not predict harmful use of those privileges. For example, in the CBS article you linked, with regard to the parents, schools, CRT issue: I acknowledge the parents are restricting speech, but I don't think it violates the spirit of free speech. Teachers can say whatever they like, and parents are free choose what their kids listen to. On the same note, I think it is fine for schools to be forced to omit creationism when discussing evolution. On defining cancellation: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30770206 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30770206 My personal axe to grind on left driven cancel culture: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25977399 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25977399

CJefferson 4y ago
The problem with this kind of argument is that it's very hard to be sure you aren't trapped in your "bubble". Fox is comfortably the most popular cable news network in America -- and that lends it a lot of social power among people who get most of their news from cable. They don't care what idiots on Twitter are saying, except as filtered through the news they consume. I talk to conservatives who get furious at the suggestion that Joe Biden isn't a pedophile, or trans-women are women and not also pedophiles. However, this is my bubble --I don't know which is "real".
- bendbro 4y ago
  > I talk to conservatives who get furious at the suggestion that Joe Biden isn't a pedophile, or trans-women are women and not also pedophiles Does their reaction have any odds of extending beyond your discussion with them into your friendship with them, other relationships, your job, or your public reputation? > The problem with this kind of argument is that it's very hard to be sure you aren't trapped in your "bubble" It definitely could be my bubble. A lot of the strength behind my opinion formed while living in Seattle and mingling with the locals. An anecdote: I once was at a friends birthday, and was seated next to a mutual friend I'd had for a year. She asked if I had been to the women's march, and I said "sorry no, I didn't have the time." She said "everybody has the time" and I said "I feel uncomfortable at marches." She said that's not a reason. I said "Okay, the real reason was I didn't have the hat." After that we were no longer friends. Interacting with the left in the southwest has been a significantly better experience.
zimpenfish 4y ago
> Are there contemporary instances of conservative driven cancellations? Would teachers being fired merely for being gay count? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/gay-teacher-catholic-school-fired-b1914950.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/gay-teache... https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2021/10/27/gay-new-york-teacher-fired-catholic-school-over-marriage/8567547002/ https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2021/10/27/gay-... https://www.edweek.org/policy-politics/opinion-teacher-i-was-fired-for-being-gay-now-it-cant-happen-to-anyone-else/2020/06 https://www.edweek.org/policy-politics/opinion-teacher-i-was... (three different ones there, there's more in the googles.) > Teachers can say whatever they like Except to say that they're gay, it seems.
- bendbro 4y ago
  Fired for being gay at public school: absolutely cancellation, and wrong. Fired for discussing sex and gender with students: debatable. Fired for being gay at a Catholic school: much like I'm fine with Hasidic Jews, Mormons, or Muslims doing "backward" things to maintain their enclaves, so too am I fine with Catholics doing it. Do I want all of society to be like this: please god no. Whether all of this changes my opinion: no, but I will keep my mind more open. I think more examples, especially ones in public schools could change my mind. I can also hear an argument against enclaves of the sort I spoke of above having less freedom. I don't have a great one in support of it to begin with. The topic is very messy.
amalcon 4y ago
> Are there contemporary instances of conservative driven cancellations? Colin Kaepernick is the most obvious.
- PuppyTailWags 4y ago
  Isn't a teacher being fired for being associated with the LGBTQ club at the highschool she teaches at? In Texas I think, after administrators started banning rainbow flags and stuff.

CJefferson 4y ago

The problem with this kind of argument is that it's very hard to be sure you aren't trapped in your "bubble". Fox is comfortably the most popular cable news network in America -- and that lends it a lot of social power among people who get most of their news from cable. They don't care what idiots on Twitter are saying, except as filtered through the news they consume. I talk to conservatives who get furious at the suggestion that Joe Biden isn't a pedophile, or trans-women are women and not also pedophiles. However, this is my bubble --I don't know which is "real".

bendbro 4y ago
> I talk to conservatives who get furious at the suggestion that Joe Biden isn't a pedophile, or trans-women are women and not also pedophiles Does their reaction have any odds of extending beyond your discussion with them into your friendship with them, other relationships, your job, or your public reputation? > The problem with this kind of argument is that it's very hard to be sure you aren't trapped in your "bubble" It definitely could be my bubble. A lot of the strength behind my opinion formed while living in Seattle and mingling with the locals. An anecdote: I once was at a friends birthday, and was seated next to a mutual friend I'd had for a year. She asked if I had been to the women's march, and I said "sorry no, I didn't have the time." She said "everybody has the time" and I said "I feel uncomfortable at marches." She said that's not a reason. I said "Okay, the real reason was I didn't have the hat." After that we were no longer friends. Interacting with the left in the southwest has been a significantly better experience.

zimpenfish 4y ago

> Are there contemporary instances of conservative driven cancellations? Would teachers being fired merely for being gay count? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/gay-teacher-catholic-school-fired-b1914950.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/gay-teache... https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2021/10/27/gay-new-york-teacher-fired-catholic-school-over-marriage/8567547002/ https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2021/10/27/gay-... https://www.edweek.org/policy-politics/opinion-teacher-i-was-fired-for-being-gay-now-it-cant-happen-to-anyone-else/2020/06 https://www.edweek.org/policy-politics/opinion-teacher-i-was... (three different ones there, there's more in the googles.) > Teachers can say whatever they like Except to say that they're gay, it seems.

bendbro 4y ago
Fired for being gay at public school: absolutely cancellation, and wrong. Fired for discussing sex and gender with students: debatable. Fired for being gay at a Catholic school: much like I'm fine with Hasidic Jews, Mormons, or Muslims doing "backward" things to maintain their enclaves, so too am I fine with Catholics doing it. Do I want all of society to be like this: please god no. Whether all of this changes my opinion: no, but I will keep my mind more open. I think more examples, especially ones in public schools could change my mind. I can also hear an argument against enclaves of the sort I spoke of above having less freedom. I don't have a great one in support of it to begin with. The topic is very messy.

amalcon 4y ago

> Are there contemporary instances of conservative driven cancellations? Colin Kaepernick is the most obvious.

PuppyTailWags 4y ago
Isn't a teacher being fired for being associated with the LGBTQ club at the highschool she teaches at? In Texas I think, after administrators started banning rainbow flags and stuff.