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Disinformation is not welcome here There is absolutely no need for deserts, or for single-use solar farms anywhere. Solar coexists with roofs, parking lots, re

by ncmncm 5y ago

Disinformation is not welcome here There is absolutely no need for deserts, or for single-use solar farms anywhere. Solar coexists with roofs, parking lots, reservoirs and canals, and pasture, improving each.

Sebb767 5y ago
The grandparent explicitly asked why solar in the desert is not considered as a solution. Also, pointing out the actual flaws of a specific approach is not disinformation.
tlb 5y ago
Please don't claim disinformation unless there's evidence of intentional deception, which doesn't appear to the case here. Instead, try to add to the discussion. For example, your claim raises the question of why many existing solar farms were built in deserts. Did something change since they were built?
- cinntaile 5y ago
  They turn unproductive, cheap land into something more valuable. A second advantage is that it helps combat desertification. A downside is that the temperatures reduce the efficiency of the panels so you need to mitigate that.
- JohnHaugeland 5y ago
  At any time that someone with no personal knowledge takes a contrarian position of fact, this has been achieved. It's long past time to try to protect the world's energy anti-vaxxers.
godelski 5y ago
Disinformation: spreading false information while knowing the information is false. Misinformation: spreading false information while believing the false information. We should be mindful how we use these terms. I believe that the parent to your comment fully believes what they are saying. If you wish to act in good faith just provide a few sources or comments to counter their claims and move on. Consider the context in which they are speaking (the op mentions building in deserts and sending electricity elsewhere, hence the counter). But do not attack them and call them a bad actor until benefit of the doubt is removed. We can't have a functioning community unless we operate under good faith conditions, even to bad actors. https://www.mediadefence.org/ereader/publications/introductory-modules-on-digital-rights-and-freedom-of-expression-online/module-8-false-news-misinformation-and-propaganda/misinformation-disinformation-and-mal-information/ https://www.mediadefence.org/ereader/publications/introducto...
- rdevsrex 5y ago
  I hate the word misinformation. That assumes a God like external judge of what is an isn't true.
- JohnHaugeland 5y ago
  The person you're reacting to was correct. They're reacting to someone who is spreading information they well know to be false.
  - Sebb767 5y ago
    Feel free to show me in what way my comment was false, I'd be very happy if I'm wrong and desert solar is a viable solution.
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    - JohnHaugeland 5y ago
      Two things. One, I'm not responding to you. Do you know how the internet works? If I reply to someone else's comment, it's not to you. I'm actually on your side, it turns out. Take your hands off your hips. I'm pro-nuclear. Solar has never worked, and it never will. Germany dumped $1.7 trillion into Energiewende, and failed. Their carbon went up, their power went down, their prices went up, and they drove industry to higher carbon grids. All it did was make the situation worse. Now take a look at my comment. Who am I actually responding to? What were they saying? Was it you? Was it pro solar? No? Then why are you here demanding that I spend my time proving you wrong? . Two, "Feel free to show me in what way my comment was false" Can you please get this out of your body for the rest of your life? You sound like a crank. It's ANTIVAXXERS who say this "feel free to show me" stuff. Like what, you thought I was on the internet just waiting for your permission? Do you realize how you sound? "Hey, I'm right until you prove me wrong?" That's ridiculous. Even though you're right, your ostentatious delivery of an entitled nonsensical position is /still/ setting you back. I'm on your side, and you've still left me feeling like your position is not defended by any skill or knowledge. If someone who doubted nuclear interacted with you, it seems almost certain that your lack of ability to display your own position, combined with your attempt to make it someone else's responsibility, would actually backfire and cause them to support nuclear less. This will never do any good. You will never convince anyone this way. You sound confused. This isn't a fight, and you aren't a fighter. You shouldn't be attempting to defeat people this way, and you haven't risen to the standard you're attempting to demand from strangers, when the actual responsibility is yours, not theirs. Every time you demand someone else prove you wrong, you have immediately and automatically lost. If you say "2+2 is 4, prove me wrong," everyone watching you thinks you're wearing a Charlie Kirk mask, and arithmetic will try to rewrite itself to distance itself from you. Please don't sit here like "do work for me because I permit it and deign it good, to amuse me and make me very happy for being wrong." The amateur nuclear fanboy community really needs to stop taking discussion tips from Youtube flat earth channels. This is not how competence works.

by ncmncm 5y ago

Sebb767 5y ago

The grandparent explicitly asked why solar in the desert is not considered as a solution. Also, pointing out the actual flaws of a specific approach is not disinformation.

tlb 5y ago

Please don't claim disinformation unless there's evidence of intentional deception, which doesn't appear to the case here. Instead, try to add to the discussion. For example, your claim raises the question of why many existing solar farms were built in deserts. Did something change since they were built?

cinntaile 5y ago
They turn unproductive, cheap land into something more valuable. A second advantage is that it helps combat desertification. A downside is that the temperatures reduce the efficiency of the panels so you need to mitigate that.
JohnHaugeland 5y ago
At any time that someone with no personal knowledge takes a contrarian position of fact, this has been achieved. It's long past time to try to protect the world's energy anti-vaxxers.

godelski 5y ago

Disinformation: spreading false information while knowing the information is false. Misinformation: spreading false information while believing the false information. We should be mindful how we use these terms. I believe that the parent to your comment fully believes what they are saying. If you wish to act in good faith just provide a few sources or comments to counter their claims and move on. Consider the context in which they are speaking (the op mentions building in deserts and sending electricity elsewhere, hence the counter). But do not attack them and call them a bad actor until benefit of the doubt is removed. We can't have a functioning community unless we operate under good faith conditions, even to bad actors. https://www.mediadefence.org/ereader/publications/introductory-modules-on-digital-rights-and-freedom-of-expression-online/module-8-false-news-misinformation-and-propaganda/misinformation-disinformation-and-mal-information/ https://www.mediadefence.org/ereader/publications/introducto...

rdevsrex 5y ago
I hate the word misinformation. That assumes a God like external judge of what is an isn't true.
JohnHaugeland 5y ago
The person you're reacting to was correct. They're reacting to someone who is spreading information they well know to be false.
- Sebb767 5y ago
  Feel free to show me in what way my comment was false, I'd be very happy if I'm wrong and desert solar is a viable solution.
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
  - JohnHaugeland 5y ago
    Two things. One, I'm not responding to you. Do you know how the internet works? If I reply to someone else's comment, it's not to you. I'm actually on your side, it turns out. Take your hands off your hips. I'm pro-nuclear. Solar has never worked, and it never will. Germany dumped $1.7 trillion into Energiewende, and failed. Their carbon went up, their power went down, their prices went up, and they drove industry to higher carbon grids. All it did was make the situation worse. Now take a look at my comment. Who am I actually responding to? What were they saying? Was it you? Was it pro solar? No? Then why are you here demanding that I spend my time proving you wrong? . Two, "Feel free to show me in what way my comment was false" Can you please get this out of your body for the rest of your life? You sound like a crank. It's ANTIVAXXERS who say this "feel free to show me" stuff. Like what, you thought I was on the internet just waiting for your permission? Do you realize how you sound? "Hey, I'm right until you prove me wrong?" That's ridiculous. Even though you're right, your ostentatious delivery of an entitled nonsensical position is /still/ setting you back. I'm on your side, and you've still left me feeling like your position is not defended by any skill or knowledge. If someone who doubted nuclear interacted with you, it seems almost certain that your lack of ability to display your own position, combined with your attempt to make it someone else's responsibility, would actually backfire and cause them to support nuclear less. This will never do any good. You will never convince anyone this way. You sound confused. This isn't a fight, and you aren't a fighter. You shouldn't be attempting to defeat people this way, and you haven't risen to the standard you're attempting to demand from strangers, when the actual responsibility is yours, not theirs. Every time you demand someone else prove you wrong, you have immediately and automatically lost. If you say "2+2 is 4, prove me wrong," everyone watching you thinks you're wearing a Charlie Kirk mask, and arithmetic will try to rewrite itself to distance itself from you. Please don't sit here like "do work for me because I permit it and deign it good, to amuse me and make me very happy for being wrong." The amateur nuclear fanboy community really needs to stop taking discussion tips from Youtube flat earth channels. This is not how competence works.