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I could copy paste almost verbatim a comment I made a year ago to somebody being equally outraged by plastic packaging and being willing to pay the extra price
by radu_floricica 5y ago
I could copy paste almost verbatim a comment I made a year ago to somebody being equally outraged by plastic packaging and being willing to pay the extra price for bio replacements. The gist of it, you're not the only one who has to pay for your outrage. And more to the point, you're quite likely well above the average income in EU just for being a Swede on HN, so you're not even the one who'd really feel the cost of such policies. Just like how poor people would definitely feel the extra euro paid by supply chain issues created by a full ban of plastic, also poor people will pay the most utility cost of having more expensive heating. Euro, we pay the same, but pain will be concentrated in the lower income levels.
And btw, I strongly dislike having to type this. I'm both a libertarian and a Romanian, and on both counts I shouldn't have to take this position. But those are the facts.
Also I wasn't even talking about total cost, but relative one. People will definitely cut other things before sleeping in 13 degree homes. Hell, they'd take loans if needed. A home is a home, you don't go back there to pitch a tent in the living room, not unless it's a literal war zone. So whatever things we prepare for, imagining 8 degree cuts is just a fantasy. We just have to find other options.
- martindbp 5y ago> equally outraged by plastic packaging and being willing to pay the extra price for bio replacements > Also I wasn't even talking about total cost, but relative one. People will definitely cut other things before sleeping in 13 degree homes. Hell, they'd take loans if needed Yeah, maybe you're right and the outrage will blow over, but maybe not. I can't speak for the national sentiment of Germans or Romanians, but this feels different to me. Maybe it's given our history with Russia, but we sent anti-tank missiles this time, as a "neutral" country. We haven't provided lethal aid to a country since the Winter War, which again was Russian aggression. This is different than plastic bags.
- radu_floricica 5y agoOh, it's big. It's definitely big. For us here it's even bigger than you might think - a good part of the reason why eastern europe is still so much behind is russian influence. Getting rid of that means finally picking up the pace and realizing our potential. Not to mention Ukraine... 44 million people free and in EU. The "good ending" here could be incredibly good.