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https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210425 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210425 > Apple doesn't read or process any of the content in the email messages that

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210425 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210425 > Apple doesn't read or process any of the content in the email messages that pass through Hide My Email, except to perform standard spam filtering that's required to maintain our status as a trusted email provider. All email messages are deleted from our relay servers after they're delivered to you, usually within seconds. Unless you can present an evidence, your post is mostly a conspiracy theory.

vba616 4y ago
>your post is mostly a conspiracy theory. Do you frequently bet that people are doing the right thing with no oversight? How often does that prove to be true?
- beachy 4y ago
  I would take the bet in this case without hesitation. Apple is too big and has too many potential internal whistle blowers to run a clandestine email monitoring operation.
  - vba616 4y ago
    >Apple is too big and has too many potential internal whistle blowers to run a clandestine email monitoring operation. This calls for an interrobang. APPLE?‽! This is an absurd reversal of the burden of proof - where I think you go very wrong is to imply or assume the natural state of a large organization is compliance with legal or ethical norms. There's a reason they have legal and compliance departments! There's a reason the laws and rules keep metastasizing! And the same silos that allow lack of compliance, allow potential whistleblowers to be intimidated - "you don't understand the context" they can say. Every time you take one of those online courses at the beginning of a job, they tell you to report anything unethical or illegal to a hotline or ombudsman or something, and then they tell you that you will be protected...unless you make false or malicious allegations, of course. You have to be pretty obtuse or literal not to understand the threat. They are telling you how it will go down - I mean, what sort of asshole would make a federal case out of the CEO parking in handicapped spaces? Or, maybe I should've just gone with sarcasm and some hyperlinks: Apple is too big and has too many potential internal whistle blowers to run a clandestine wage fixing operation, and huge conspiracy theories are nonsense, which is why this never happened: https://www.theregister.com/2015/09/03/apple_wagefixing_closed/ https://www.theregister.com/2015/09/03/apple_wagefixing_clos... Also, Apple is too big and has too many potential internal whistle blowers to run a clandestine insider trading operation, and conspiracy theories are nonsense, which is why the person responsible for insider trading compliance definitely did not insider trade Apple stock: https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2019-10 https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2019-10 Next up: Ukraine is a conspiracy theory!
    - beachy 4y ago
      Excellent rebuttal and good links. But they are both for one-offs - single events or single rogue employees. One offs always happen. Systematic, Enron-style ingrained fraud is quite another. The idea that Apple is systematically reading people's emails - with all the multitude of supporting rogues employees, right down to SREs to keep things running that would need to be in on the act - is absurd, truly a ticket on the consipiracy theory train.
      - vba616 4y ago
        >One offs always happen. Systematic, Enron-style ingrained fraud is quite another. The fines for wage fixing totaled over $400 million, and although I realize that was collective and not only Apple, how can you possibly say it's not systematic Enron-style ingrained fraud? It wasn't $400 million stolen from one employee! There were all those other companies involved too! As I see it, it's arguably not Enron-style only because the company didn't collapse as a consequence. But that makes it more like compromised emails, not less! The more remote serious punishment is for something, the more likely the thing is. Is it plausible that the worst possible breach of privacy would lead to Apple going under? I think not. I also think you're arbitrarily excluding the possibility of anything between an all-encompassing plan and a "rogue employee". Pretty much everything that happens falls in between! Many things that are hardly planned at all happen anyway! A thing that was in the news recently, that did not relate to Apple, was that thousands of PwC (Canada) employees were sharing answers to internal training. The auditors were cheating on the exams that were supposed to test auditing ethics and skills! Clearly everybody was not aware this was going on, but also clearly it was not an isolated rogue employee! Management apparently said "whoops, we'll add controls to prevent this" and got assessed a not-very-huge fine. Which seems to evade the question and problem of how they hired so many people with no ethics to watch over the proverbial henhouses of other companies! If you've worked for any large organization, you've seen how they declare they adhere to the dogma of finding the root cause of a failure and preventing it going forward. And yet, how often do you see people fix the exact thing that failed a test and blatantly ignore the wider implications? It seems kind of frightening that the PCAOB (I think) doesn't really seem to see an issue with a slap on the wrist and a promise to do better being the penalty.

vba616 4y ago

>your post is mostly a conspiracy theory. Do you frequently bet that people are doing the right thing with no oversight? How often does that prove to be true?

beachy 4y ago
I would take the bet in this case without hesitation. Apple is too big and has too many potential internal whistle blowers to run a clandestine email monitoring operation.
- vba616 4y ago
  >Apple is too big and has too many potential internal whistle blowers to run a clandestine email monitoring operation. This calls for an interrobang. APPLE?‽! This is an absurd reversal of the burden of proof - where I think you go very wrong is to imply or assume the natural state of a large organization is compliance with legal or ethical norms. There's a reason they have legal and compliance departments! There's a reason the laws and rules keep metastasizing! And the same silos that allow lack of compliance, allow potential whistleblowers to be intimidated - "you don't understand the context" they can say. Every time you take one of those online courses at the beginning of a job, they tell you to report anything unethical or illegal to a hotline or ombudsman or something, and then they tell you that you will be protected...unless you make false or malicious allegations, of course. You have to be pretty obtuse or literal not to understand the threat. They are telling you how it will go down - I mean, what sort of asshole would make a federal case out of the CEO parking in handicapped spaces? Or, maybe I should've just gone with sarcasm and some hyperlinks: Apple is too big and has too many potential internal whistle blowers to run a clandestine wage fixing operation, and huge conspiracy theories are nonsense, which is why this never happened: https://www.theregister.com/2015/09/03/apple_wagefixing_closed/ https://www.theregister.com/2015/09/03/apple_wagefixing_clos... Also, Apple is too big and has too many potential internal whistle blowers to run a clandestine insider trading operation, and conspiracy theories are nonsense, which is why the person responsible for insider trading compliance definitely did not insider trade Apple stock: https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2019-10 https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2019-10 Next up: Ukraine is a conspiracy theory!
  - beachy 4y ago
    Excellent rebuttal and good links. But they are both for one-offs - single events or single rogue employees. One offs always happen. Systematic, Enron-style ingrained fraud is quite another. The idea that Apple is systematically reading people's emails - with all the multitude of supporting rogues employees, right down to SREs to keep things running that would need to be in on the act - is absurd, truly a ticket on the consipiracy theory train.
    - vba616 4y ago
      >One offs always happen. Systematic, Enron-style ingrained fraud is quite another. The fines for wage fixing totaled over $400 million, and although I realize that was collective and not only Apple, how can you possibly say it's not systematic Enron-style ingrained fraud? It wasn't $400 million stolen from one employee! There were all those other companies involved too! As I see it, it's arguably not Enron-style only because the company didn't collapse as a consequence. But that makes it more like compromised emails, not less! The more remote serious punishment is for something, the more likely the thing is. Is it plausible that the worst possible breach of privacy would lead to Apple going under? I think not. I also think you're arbitrarily excluding the possibility of anything between an all-encompassing plan and a "rogue employee". Pretty much everything that happens falls in between! Many things that are hardly planned at all happen anyway! A thing that was in the news recently, that did not relate to Apple, was that thousands of PwC (Canada) employees were sharing answers to internal training. The auditors were cheating on the exams that were supposed to test auditing ethics and skills! Clearly everybody was not aware this was going on, but also clearly it was not an isolated rogue employee! Management apparently said "whoops, we'll add controls to prevent this" and got assessed a not-very-huge fine. Which seems to evade the question and problem of how they hired so many people with no ethics to watch over the proverbial henhouses of other companies! If you've worked for any large organization, you've seen how they declare they adhere to the dogma of finding the root cause of a failure and preventing it going forward. And yet, how often do you see people fix the exact thing that failed a test and blatantly ignore the wider implications? It seems kind of frightening that the PCAOB (I think) doesn't really seem to see an issue with a slap on the wrist and a promise to do better being the penalty.