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True, I got covid 2 weeks after getting my booster (3rd mRNA dose). At a point where protection should have been optimal. However it only gave me slight sniffl

by _abox 4y ago

True, I got covid 2 weeks after getting my booster (3rd mRNA dose). At a point where protection should have been optimal. However it only gave me slight sniffles for 2 days. The vaccine made me more sick :) so IMO the vaccine did its job. I agree with rolling the dice on this. We can't keep locking thingals down forever and masks only delay an eventual infection anyway. The anti covid measures do their own damage on our health and economy so I'm happy with the relaxation.

sudosysgen 4y ago
Ah, what I'm talking about is something else - people are being infected through the vaccine, and get a second breakthrough infection within a month of the first one. I don't know how widespread it is. Reinfections are generally milder than the first infection, but it's not the case every time. If we let the virus run through like wildfire and accumulate mutation after mutation as it runs through billions of hosts every few months, there is a chance it has a huge cost on society. This is pretty unique, too. Normally, people can go multiple years before reinfection even without vaccines. A virus that can reinfect after mere months and is this infectious is inherently very risky. A nightmare scenario would be one where people keep catching it every few months without it getting less severe after the first few times.
- GekkePrutser 4y ago
  Is a scenario where we have to work from home a couple of times a year for a few days due to a mild infection really such a nightmare? Considering the constant lockdowns we'll need to prevent it, that sounds a lot worse tbh. Of course it's possible a dangerous strain will emerge but I think it's worth the risk.
  - sudosysgen 4y ago
    There is a lot more that can be done besides lockdowns - we can have actually useful contact tracing and testing. There are tons of measures that can be implemented to reduce transmission. We're giving up on all of that. Besides, viral infections are very damaging to the human body. An infection severe enough to knock you out for multiple days multiple times a year, on top of all the other disease we have, each time rolling the dice on long term side effects, is far worse than "work from home a couple of times a day". If there is an only 5% rate of long term side effects (which is much less than it is at now), and you end up catching it twice a year, that means you're guaranteeing most people to suffer from long term side effects. Not to mention, unless we're sending sick kids to school, parents will be in deep shit. And on a personal preference level, I would much rather have a week or two of lockdown every year on average until we can develop a vaccine that can prevent reinfection and mutation or treatments and testing or w/e is needed to limit it, than to be guaranteed to get sick for a week or two at random times alone and risk severe long term effects every time. Even the Chinese didn't have constant lockdowns. The majority of Chinese people didn't even see a single lockdown this year. If their government was competent enough to keep a basic surveillance testing regime the lockdown in Shanghai might have already been over.
    - spookthesunset 4y ago
      I absolutely love the goalposts for some people seem to have shifted from “this ends when we have a vaccine” all the way to “this ends when we have a newer, better vaccine”. When will people finally accept this is a battle that cannot be won. Humans cannot stop a contagious respiratory virus any better than they can stop a hurricane, tornado or earthquake.
      - jseban 4y ago
        > Humans cannot stop a contagious respiratory virus any better than they can stop a hurricane, tornado or earthquake. Yep, and these actions of trying to stop the virus with border closings and lockdowns was 100% ideas from china and north korea, the crazy thing, as mentioned in other comments, is that the western world followed and also went on this futile insane don quijotean crusade.
      - sudosysgen 4y ago
        The vaccines simply don't work as well anymore. If they were still as effective as they were at the start, we wouldn't be here. We could have ensured that by limiting worldwide transmission and distributing the vaccines more homogeneously, but we didn't. Also, we can and have stopped contagious respiratory viruses. Multiple times.
        GekkePrutser 4y ago
        > Also, we can and have stopped contagious respiratory viruses. Multiple times. Ones this contagious and mutative though?
        sudosysgen 4y ago
        COVID is actually not a very mutative virus. The only reason it mutates so fast is because we let it spread so much. The more a virus spreads, the more it mutates. As far as contagion, we have eradicated smallpox, which is right around the estimates for contagion of Omicron.
    - 4y ago
  - robonerd 4y ago
    > work from home That this is possible at all for you is a privilege many do not enjoy.
    - GekkePrutser 4y ago
      No, but we were talking of a nightmare to society. In western societies people not able to work from home are a minority. Most of these would not be able to work during the lockdowns either so either way it works out the same, not a positive in favour of lockdowns.
- wetmore 4y ago
  Yeah, this is anecdotal of course but I was double vaxxed + boosted by last October, and I got covid for the first time in late December 2021, and the second time early April 2022. The first time was extremely mild (no real symptoms beyond the sniffles) and the second time was like getting the flu (fever, sore throat, persistent cough and lots of mucus).
- jacquesm 4y ago
  > people are being infected through the vaccine Worth noting the difference between Sinovac and other vaccines: Sinovac is a deactivated virus, whereas almost all of the others do not contain any virus. So nobody is 'infected through the vaccine'.
  - sudosysgen 4y ago
    I mean infected through the vaccine as in despite the vaccine, not as in acquiring it from the vaccination.
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by _abox 4y ago

sudosysgen 4y ago

Ah, what I'm talking about is something else - people are being infected through the vaccine, and get a second breakthrough infection within a month of the first one. I don't know how widespread it is. Reinfections are generally milder than the first infection, but it's not the case every time. If we let the virus run through like wildfire and accumulate mutation after mutation as it runs through billions of hosts every few months, there is a chance it has a huge cost on society. This is pretty unique, too. Normally, people can go multiple years before reinfection even without vaccines. A virus that can reinfect after mere months and is this infectious is inherently very risky. A nightmare scenario would be one where people keep catching it every few months without it getting less severe after the first few times.

GekkePrutser 4y ago
Is a scenario where we have to work from home a couple of times a year for a few days due to a mild infection really such a nightmare? Considering the constant lockdowns we'll need to prevent it, that sounds a lot worse tbh. Of course it's possible a dangerous strain will emerge but I think it's worth the risk.
- sudosysgen 4y ago
  There is a lot more that can be done besides lockdowns - we can have actually useful contact tracing and testing. There are tons of measures that can be implemented to reduce transmission. We're giving up on all of that. Besides, viral infections are very damaging to the human body. An infection severe enough to knock you out for multiple days multiple times a year, on top of all the other disease we have, each time rolling the dice on long term side effects, is far worse than "work from home a couple of times a day". If there is an only 5% rate of long term side effects (which is much less than it is at now), and you end up catching it twice a year, that means you're guaranteeing most people to suffer from long term side effects. Not to mention, unless we're sending sick kids to school, parents will be in deep shit. And on a personal preference level, I would much rather have a week or two of lockdown every year on average until we can develop a vaccine that can prevent reinfection and mutation or treatments and testing or w/e is needed to limit it, than to be guaranteed to get sick for a week or two at random times alone and risk severe long term effects every time. Even the Chinese didn't have constant lockdowns. The majority of Chinese people didn't even see a single lockdown this year. If their government was competent enough to keep a basic surveillance testing regime the lockdown in Shanghai might have already been over.
  - spookthesunset 4y ago
    I absolutely love the goalposts for some people seem to have shifted from “this ends when we have a vaccine” all the way to “this ends when we have a newer, better vaccine”. When will people finally accept this is a battle that cannot be won. Humans cannot stop a contagious respiratory virus any better than they can stop a hurricane, tornado or earthquake.
    - jseban 4y ago
      > Humans cannot stop a contagious respiratory virus any better than they can stop a hurricane, tornado or earthquake. Yep, and these actions of trying to stop the virus with border closings and lockdowns was 100% ideas from china and north korea, the crazy thing, as mentioned in other comments, is that the western world followed and also went on this futile insane don quijotean crusade.
    - sudosysgen 4y ago
      The vaccines simply don't work as well anymore. If they were still as effective as they were at the start, we wouldn't be here. We could have ensured that by limiting worldwide transmission and distributing the vaccines more homogeneously, but we didn't. Also, we can and have stopped contagious respiratory viruses. Multiple times.
      - GekkePrutser 4y ago
        > Also, we can and have stopped contagious respiratory viruses. Multiple times. Ones this contagious and mutative though?
        sudosysgen 4y ago
        COVID is actually not a very mutative virus. The only reason it mutates so fast is because we let it spread so much. The more a virus spreads, the more it mutates. As far as contagion, we have eradicated smallpox, which is right around the estimates for contagion of Omicron.
  - 4y ago
- robonerd 4y ago
  > work from home That this is possible at all for you is a privilege many do not enjoy.
  - GekkePrutser 4y ago
    No, but we were talking of a nightmare to society. In western societies people not able to work from home are a minority. Most of these would not be able to work during the lockdowns either so either way it works out the same, not a positive in favour of lockdowns.
wetmore 4y ago
Yeah, this is anecdotal of course but I was double vaxxed + boosted by last October, and I got covid for the first time in late December 2021, and the second time early April 2022. The first time was extremely mild (no real symptoms beyond the sniffles) and the second time was like getting the flu (fever, sore throat, persistent cough and lots of mucus).
jacquesm 4y ago
> people are being infected through the vaccine Worth noting the difference between Sinovac and other vaccines: Sinovac is a deactivated virus, whereas almost all of the others do not contain any virus. So nobody is 'infected through the vaccine'.
- sudosysgen 4y ago
  I mean infected through the vaccine as in despite the vaccine, not as in acquiring it from the vaccination.
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