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Things to hate about HN: the large number of nearly-nothing responses like this. I wish people would instead suggest something constructive like 'make some vids
by zasdffaa 5y ago
Things to hate about HN: the large number of nearly-nothing responses like this. I wish people would instead suggest something constructive like 'make some vids and put them on youtube so we can judge for ourselves'.
- irrational 5y agoOr include a link to peer reviewed research. Instead it’s all memes. This one is Will Ferrel as the Anchorman saying “I don’t believe you.”
- homarp 5y agohttps://blogs.scientificamerican.com/dog-spies/what-do-dogs-see-in-mirrors/ https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/dog-spies/what-do-dogs-... has some references
- hoten 5y agoA good test is to apply a white mark on the subjects head. Try to do it in a way they don't notice, and use a safe material with no odor. Then see if they start mucking with their head after looking in the mirror.
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- zasdffaa 5y agoAgreed. If an HN poster doesn't start cleaning their hair after looking in a mirror, their account should be cancelled to prevent further posting. That would work. (err, that's what you meant, right?)
- rpmisms 5y agoWell, this dog is white, but I may try some experiments. I'm curious if she could recognize a mark.
- nathias 5y agoThat would imply I can believe his very extraordinary claims. No dogs have ever passed the mirror test, this would be a momentous occasion for science.
- zasdffaa 5y agoGiven the list of animals that have, or may <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_test#Mammals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_test#Mammals> why would it be so astounding to add a dog to that list? (NB, I don't know where I saw it but if you look at <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_test#Mammals_3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_test#Mammals_3> about pigs: "Pigs can use visual information seen in a mirror to find food" - someone recently found dogs doing the same; finding hidden food with mirrors with distinctly better than chance).
- nathias 5y agoBecause it would be astounding to add any creature to the list of self aware creatures?
- rpmisms 5y agoUnderstanding that a reflection is a reflection isn't full self-awareness, which itself is a blanket term. Being aware of your physical presence doesn't necessitate having a sense of self.
- nathias 5y agoSeeing the reflecton and recognizing what you're seeing is your own reflection (demonstrating this knowledge by fixing your hair, which you notice is ruffled) is basically the full mirror test which is the best test we have for self-recognition.