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Craft: “to make or produce with care, skill, or ingenuity.” It means to make something carefully, the same thing done when crafting a search query. That’s the w

Craft: “to make or produce with care, skill, or ingenuity.” It means to make something carefully, the same thing done when crafting a search query. That’s the way I meant it anyway. There is nothing particularly difficult about searching in Shortcut. You combine a set of available filters to make a composed filter the same way you search anything. The difference is that in JIRA, there are about 5 different ways to search and the operators are not always obvious.

dmitriid 5y ago
What it looks like is you keep defending a shitty UX/UI by trying to justify it with inapplicable examples. > You combine a set of available filters to make a composed filter the same way you search anything This isn't even remotely similar to "anyone who uses a search engine, tries to find an email". Which brings us back to the original complaint, quote: "It's filters make no sense." If you "have to combine/craft filters to create a composite filter that you then use to search", you've failed. In exactly the same ways that Jira fails at this task.
- ironmagma 5y ago
  I don’t care if you don’t use Shortcut. Use Linear instead, for example, since apparently a lot of people like it in this thread. I had never heard of it before. Main thing is, don’t pretend like JIRA is the only reasonable option because it just isn’t (not saying you were necessarily, but that is what I have a problem with people doing.)
  - dmitriid 5y ago
    > I don’t care if you don’t use Shortcut. I never said whether I was or wasn't using Shortcut. > Use Linear instead, for example, since apparently I never said whether or not I was looking for an alternative > don’t pretend like JIRA is the only reasonable option I never said anything about JIRA except in the following context: "If you <make things complicated>, you've failed. In exactly the same ways that Jira fails at this task." And you are the one who actually mentioned JIRA first. So how about: you stop pretending I said or implied something I never did?
    - ironmagma 5y ago
      You accused me of defending something. What actually happened is I asked a series of clarification questions ("Filters make no sense?", "What flow?"), neither of which was answered by the way. Again, I have no dog in whether or not you use Shortcut. So I am not defending anything. >I never said anything about JIRA except in the following context That's exactly why I ended my last comment the way I did ("not saying you were necessarily"). > I never said whether or not I was looking for an alternative Why are you commenting on this thread? The whole point was to suggest an alternative. You never even suggested another way filters could work. As far as I can tell, the mathematical definition of a filter is that it's composed of sub-filters. So please either admit you're a negativity-spouting troll or contribute something positive.
      - dmitriid 5y ago
        > The whole point was to suggest an alternative. I responded to this statement: "You craft the filters, so if that makes no sense it’s because you didn’t craft the right thing". No. No one in their right mind wants to "craft filters". If you require people to "craft filters" or "combine a set of available filters to make a composed filter", you've failed. It doesn't mater if it's Shortcut, or Linera, or JIRA, or any of the dozens of JIRA replacements/wannabes. That's the thing I'm responding to. An all your examples and allusions only serve to show that you don't understand this simple fact. For people to want to "combine/craft filters" these filters have to be immediate, smart, autocompleting, and properly predictive. As an example, Youtrack[1] shows how to do that more-or-less properly (though it has other issues). Shortcut can't even complete available states when you type `state:` into the search box. > As far as I can tell, the mathematical definition of a filter is that it's composed of sub-filters. Literally no one using project management software cares about mathematical definition of filter. Not a single soul. [1] https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issues https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issues
        ironmagma 5y ago
        > No. No one in their right mind wants to "craft filters". You should strongly question this assumption because I am a living counterexample. Before I discovered this tool, I wanted to be able to write the filters so badly I even started to develop a tool that allowed this (called Infinitix) that provided only one basic thing: ability to apply filters on a single list of tickets, and then save or share that filter to other members of your org. Regardless of whether you think "you've failed" if you develop this, I'm sure photographers thought the same thing about Photoshop when it was created. (No, this product never fully materialized, luckily I didn't have to build it because I found out about the existence of Shortcut.) It would have been the simplest task management system possible, in a way. I don't care if the autocompletions are there, what I care about is having control instead of my system administrator or manager having control, and being able to run whatever query at whatever time I want to. In other words, I want to control the tool rather than it control me, and I also want a tool (instead of TODO.txt, the anti-tool approach to task management).

dmitriid 5y ago

What it looks like is you keep defending a shitty UX/UI by trying to justify it with inapplicable examples. > You combine a set of available filters to make a composed filter the same way you search anything This isn't even remotely similar to "anyone who uses a search engine, tries to find an email". Which brings us back to the original complaint, quote: "It's filters make no sense." If you "have to combine/craft filters to create a composite filter that you then use to search", you've failed. In exactly the same ways that Jira fails at this task.

ironmagma 5y ago
I don’t care if you don’t use Shortcut. Use Linear instead, for example, since apparently a lot of people like it in this thread. I had never heard of it before. Main thing is, don’t pretend like JIRA is the only reasonable option because it just isn’t (not saying you were necessarily, but that is what I have a problem with people doing.)
- dmitriid 5y ago
  > I don’t care if you don’t use Shortcut. I never said whether I was or wasn't using Shortcut. > Use Linear instead, for example, since apparently I never said whether or not I was looking for an alternative > don’t pretend like JIRA is the only reasonable option I never said anything about JIRA except in the following context: "If you <make things complicated>, you've failed. In exactly the same ways that Jira fails at this task." And you are the one who actually mentioned JIRA first. So how about: you stop pretending I said or implied something I never did?
  - ironmagma 5y ago
    You accused me of defending something. What actually happened is I asked a series of clarification questions ("Filters make no sense?", "What flow?"), neither of which was answered by the way. Again, I have no dog in whether or not you use Shortcut. So I am not defending anything. >I never said anything about JIRA except in the following context That's exactly why I ended my last comment the way I did ("not saying you were necessarily"). > I never said whether or not I was looking for an alternative Why are you commenting on this thread? The whole point was to suggest an alternative. You never even suggested another way filters could work. As far as I can tell, the mathematical definition of a filter is that it's composed of sub-filters. So please either admit you're a negativity-spouting troll or contribute something positive.
    - dmitriid 5y ago
      > The whole point was to suggest an alternative. I responded to this statement: "You craft the filters, so if that makes no sense it’s because you didn’t craft the right thing". No. No one in their right mind wants to "craft filters". If you require people to "craft filters" or "combine a set of available filters to make a composed filter", you've failed. It doesn't mater if it's Shortcut, or Linera, or JIRA, or any of the dozens of JIRA replacements/wannabes. That's the thing I'm responding to. An all your examples and allusions only serve to show that you don't understand this simple fact. For people to want to "combine/craft filters" these filters have to be immediate, smart, autocompleting, and properly predictive. As an example, Youtrack[1] shows how to do that more-or-less properly (though it has other issues). Shortcut can't even complete available states when you type `state:` into the search box. > As far as I can tell, the mathematical definition of a filter is that it's composed of sub-filters. Literally no one using project management software cares about mathematical definition of filter. Not a single soul. [1] https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issues https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issues
      - ironmagma 5y ago
        > No. No one in their right mind wants to "craft filters". You should strongly question this assumption because I am a living counterexample. Before I discovered this tool, I wanted to be able to write the filters so badly I even started to develop a tool that allowed this (called Infinitix) that provided only one basic thing: ability to apply filters on a single list of tickets, and then save or share that filter to other members of your org. Regardless of whether you think "you've failed" if you develop this, I'm sure photographers thought the same thing about Photoshop when it was created. (No, this product never fully materialized, luckily I didn't have to build it because I found out about the existence of Shortcut.) It would have been the simplest task management system possible, in a way. I don't care if the autocompletions are there, what I care about is having control instead of my system administrator or manager having control, and being able to run whatever query at whatever time I want to. In other words, I want to control the tool rather than it control me, and I also want a tool (instead of TODO.txt, the anti-tool approach to task management).