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Was it not clear from the main point? Actively reducing the innocence of typical children at the target age. You can show them things that are different and in

Was it not clear from the main point? Actively reducing the innocence of typical children at the target age. You can show them things that are different and in an exciting format without doing that, but when you don't prioritize their right to their innocence, your content and delivery is harmful.

moistly 5y ago
WTF is “innocence”? Where TF is the “clear line”? The books the Danish use to educate their children about sex would be classified as kiddy porn in most of the USA. The books the Saudi’s use to educate their children about sex… don’t exist. But here you are telling us there is a “clear line” without stating what that clear line is. There is, obviously, no “clear line.” You’re just trying to impose your personal — and very much not clear — morality on others.
- lr4444lr 5y ago
  You are confusing social norms with capacities to manage harm. Innocence means that the children are allowed to operate in a framework that let's them understand and learn about things in a way that they can manage. Hell, some autistic kids can't even manage seeing things that are perfectly unnoticeable to the average kid even in the same city, let alone in another country. But just as we don't run every televsion network for the autistic, we really don't want to be running pornography on regular kid programming either. It's very telling that you jumped to books, at any rate. I don't know the ones you're talking about or at exactly what age they are targeted, but a book is a much smaller and telegraphed source of content for kids.
  - moistly 5y ago
    Again, you fail to describe any clear line. In fact, you indicate that there is no clear line by providing an example of a child whose line is different from that of another kid. The medium isn’t the important bit, btw, so you needn’t get hung up on books instead of, say, television or school programmes. The point is that you claim a “clear line” when there is no such thing.
    - lr4444lr 5y ago
      I already stated in multiple ways that the "clear line" is taking deliberate care in programming for children to ensure first and foremost that it won't be likely to any significant degree to rob them of their innocence, a term which I explained further for you. My citation of the example of a child with autism was an exception for a standard of reasonableness when assessing this due diligence. Here's another one in the same vein: some kid has a finger bitten off at age 4 by a rabid dog, and now has a phobia of all dogs. Does that mean content creators are reckless if they include a cartoon dog that barks angrily at someone? Obviously you're dealing with a rare exception that perhaps could be fixed with some standard of a content index for special cases. If you're going to continue to pretend that this is still all super subjective, I'm gonna have to assume you're not arguing in good faith anymore. There will not be any symbolically notated theorem forthcoming on this topic. Simply put, you can have a culturally relative definition of content appropriateness and still understand this concept. To your example, premarital sex is a REALLY bad thing to get caught doing in some Arab countries. So yeah, in THOSE countries, the Danish books as you describe might be considered abusive to give to minors if they are demonstrably seen to promote sexual behavior that would harm the children's standing in those societies.

moistly 5y ago

WTF is “innocence”? Where TF is the “clear line”? The books the Danish use to educate their children about sex would be classified as kiddy porn in most of the USA. The books the Saudi’s use to educate their children about sex… don’t exist. But here you are telling us there is a “clear line” without stating what that clear line is. There is, obviously, no “clear line.” You’re just trying to impose your personal — and very much not clear — morality on others.

lr4444lr 5y ago
You are confusing social norms with capacities to manage harm. Innocence means that the children are allowed to operate in a framework that let's them understand and learn about things in a way that they can manage. Hell, some autistic kids can't even manage seeing things that are perfectly unnoticeable to the average kid even in the same city, let alone in another country. But just as we don't run every televsion network for the autistic, we really don't want to be running pornography on regular kid programming either. It's very telling that you jumped to books, at any rate. I don't know the ones you're talking about or at exactly what age they are targeted, but a book is a much smaller and telegraphed source of content for kids.
- moistly 5y ago
  Again, you fail to describe any clear line. In fact, you indicate that there is no clear line by providing an example of a child whose line is different from that of another kid. The medium isn’t the important bit, btw, so you needn’t get hung up on books instead of, say, television or school programmes. The point is that you claim a “clear line” when there is no such thing.
  - lr4444lr 5y ago
    I already stated in multiple ways that the "clear line" is taking deliberate care in programming for children to ensure first and foremost that it won't be likely to any significant degree to rob them of their innocence, a term which I explained further for you. My citation of the example of a child with autism was an exception for a standard of reasonableness when assessing this due diligence. Here's another one in the same vein: some kid has a finger bitten off at age 4 by a rabid dog, and now has a phobia of all dogs. Does that mean content creators are reckless if they include a cartoon dog that barks angrily at someone? Obviously you're dealing with a rare exception that perhaps could be fixed with some standard of a content index for special cases. If you're going to continue to pretend that this is still all super subjective, I'm gonna have to assume you're not arguing in good faith anymore. There will not be any symbolically notated theorem forthcoming on this topic. Simply put, you can have a culturally relative definition of content appropriateness and still understand this concept. To your example, premarital sex is a REALLY bad thing to get caught doing in some Arab countries. So yeah, in THOSE countries, the Danish books as you describe might be considered abusive to give to minors if they are demonstrably seen to promote sexual behavior that would harm the children's standing in those societies.