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G.K. Chesterton boiled this down pretty well: “The Special mark of the modern world is not that it is skeptical, but that it is dogmatic without knowing it. It

G.K. Chesterton boiled this down pretty well: “The Special mark of the modern world is not that it is skeptical, but that it is dogmatic without knowing it. It says, in mockery of old devotees, that they believed without knowing why they believed. But the moderns believe without knowing what they believe - and without even knowing that they do believe it. Their freedom consists in first freely assuming a creed, and then freely forgetting that they are assuming it”. Noteworthy to add that for Chesterton “heresy” is defined as the obstinate rejection of a dogma.

javajosh 4y ago
Too complicated. The culture war was explicitly born of a left-wing power grab through cultural means, and it was foisted on college students starting in like 2014, and has had remarkable success (for its proponents). College kids believe a lot of stuff without knowing what, or why, and cancel culture rules are no different.
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- morelisp 4y ago
  > The culture war was explicitly born of a left-wing power grab through cultural means The current culture war got stoked in the early 90s by conservatives because it got them votes, and has been escalating since then because it still does. Or are you going full Buchanan to claim black and gay people getting equal treatment in the civil arena is a "left-wing power grab"?
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    - tomrod 4y ago
      You might be missing the point. Business leaders encouraging inclusivity is a winning strategy for their business, as it helps them get the best skills. This is not a war, it's simply honest to goodness market forces getting things right. The decision in the US of the GOP to stoke division while as a party deciding to be deliberately obstructionist caused things to go off the rails. That is why you get shenanigans like Republicans claiming that Obama would never nominate a centrist like Garland the day before the announcement, then pivoting 180 to prevent their constitutional duty to advise and consent. They are lucky Obama respected the Constitution as they have opted to be derelict in the performance of their duties. Your point on terminology isn't the problem in your statement. It's that you project towards cultural division the real issue of classist division.
      - javajosh 4y ago
        No I just think there's no point in calling the right out. The only people I have any chance of influencing are my fellow liberals who have themselves made the mistake of becoming authoritarian re speech. I think it's really alienating and hypocritical to call yourself anti-racist and then attack white people, in general. And cooling the reverse-racism would yield very good benefits, as this one "policy" fuels a great deal of Trumpian insanity. By controlling ourselves we have every chance of deescalating a bad situation.
    - pstuart 4y ago
      I'm sensing a bias in your observations. There is indeed a culture war happening but both sides are actively engaged. I think it's worthy of looking into what each side considers "winning" and working backwards from there (i.e., is that really a "good thing"?)
  - woodruffw 4y ago
    And even beyond that: there's a direct line from Goldwater's open hatred for the press and academia to the Contract With America/early 90s "big tent" cultural conservatism. Conservatism in America has not existed as a unified front modulo the culture war for decades. The only thing keeping the stakeholders together are social issues and revanchist sentiments towards anything that has even historically challenged those issues.
  - rendang 4y ago
    Did Buchanan claim that black people should not have equal rights? I'm not too familiar with his work.
- philjohn 4y ago
  You seem to be ignoring Pat Buchanon who literally used the term "culture war".
  - Vaelatern 4y ago
    Waterfall development was coined in a paper describing how it is bad.
    - philjohn 4y ago
      That's not how he was using the phrase.
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javajosh 4y ago

Too complicated. The culture war was explicitly born of a left-wing power grab through cultural means, and it was foisted on college students starting in like 2014, and has had remarkable success (for its proponents). College kids believe a lot of stuff without knowing what, or why, and cancel culture rules are no different.

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morelisp 4y ago
> The culture war was explicitly born of a left-wing power grab through cultural means The current culture war got stoked in the early 90s by conservatives because it got them votes, and has been escalating since then because it still does. Or are you going full Buchanan to claim black and gay people getting equal treatment in the civil arena is a "left-wing power grab"?
- javajosh 4y ago
  - tomrod 4y ago
    You might be missing the point. Business leaders encouraging inclusivity is a winning strategy for their business, as it helps them get the best skills. This is not a war, it's simply honest to goodness market forces getting things right. The decision in the US of the GOP to stoke division while as a party deciding to be deliberately obstructionist caused things to go off the rails. That is why you get shenanigans like Republicans claiming that Obama would never nominate a centrist like Garland the day before the announcement, then pivoting 180 to prevent their constitutional duty to advise and consent. They are lucky Obama respected the Constitution as they have opted to be derelict in the performance of their duties. Your point on terminology isn't the problem in your statement. It's that you project towards cultural division the real issue of classist division.
    - javajosh 4y ago
      No I just think there's no point in calling the right out. The only people I have any chance of influencing are my fellow liberals who have themselves made the mistake of becoming authoritarian re speech. I think it's really alienating and hypocritical to call yourself anti-racist and then attack white people, in general. And cooling the reverse-racism would yield very good benefits, as this one "policy" fuels a great deal of Trumpian insanity. By controlling ourselves we have every chance of deescalating a bad situation.
  - pstuart 4y ago
    I'm sensing a bias in your observations. There is indeed a culture war happening but both sides are actively engaged. I think it's worthy of looking into what each side considers "winning" and working backwards from there (i.e., is that really a "good thing"?)
- woodruffw 4y ago
  And even beyond that: there's a direct line from Goldwater's open hatred for the press and academia to the Contract With America/early 90s "big tent" cultural conservatism. Conservatism in America has not existed as a unified front modulo the culture war for decades. The only thing keeping the stakeholders together are social issues and revanchist sentiments towards anything that has even historically challenged those issues.
- rendang 4y ago
  Did Buchanan claim that black people should not have equal rights? I'm not too familiar with his work.
philjohn 4y ago
You seem to be ignoring Pat Buchanon who literally used the term "culture war".
- Vaelatern 4y ago
  Waterfall development was coined in a paper describing how it is bad.
  - philjohn 4y ago
    That's not how he was using the phrase.

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