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You have ingested too much propaganda (no insult, just a cheery consideration): living in France, if the government change from the actual cleptocratic one to a

by kkfx 5y ago

You have ingested too much propaganda (no insult, just a cheery consideration): living in France, if the government change from the actual cleptocratic one to a democratic one perhaps re-nationalizing EDF and pushin nuclear enough a small cohort of people who live in homes insulated enough to been able to cool and heat with electricity, owning EVs, can survive without much more issues than a big rise in expenses for anything, food and goods in particular. BUT those who live in classic badly/non insulated homes (vast majority of the population, and vast majority of those who can afford new homes and EVs, have no choice than revolt in a new French Revolution, hoping to do better than the first witch means avoiding putting a new élite in chief like the old one, or exactly the old one with different puppets/public face or starve to death. That not counting a "small" fact like the industry energy needs, since even with nuclear not everything is electric and not everything can be electric in a short time period. The strike of sanctions actually is AGAINST EU interest, far less against Russian interest. The USA/UK want to destroy EU since they know EU was approaching Russia, since that's our best interest [1], and they know the next war in Asia will impede them to keep EU under their boots. A small suggestion: read Klaus Schwab, Mark Carney books for knowing their agenda and Antony Sutton's books to know a bit of history. You'll discovering that you fight/cheering for your own enemy, even if you are from USA. I'm not joking, really. [1] we have the tech but not space nor natural resources, Russia have natural resources, space and a solid enough country to be a fair partner not a dictatorial one like the USA/UK (together since these days are not two countries but a similar élite that act with equal targets against any population, their one included) and a near partner, Europe by nature till the Urals.

BlueTemplar 5y ago
I only see here lots of words and no numbers that would actually provide criticism of my plan. Even though I left an opening with the mention of strategic reserves !
- kkfx 5y ago
  What numbers you have and what numbers you want? I imaging you did know that most cars, trucks, ships, airplanes, many industries run on oil. Cheap oil is obviously a nice thing to have also to build the Green New Deal. I imaging you have seen the food provisioning issues. The skyrocketing prices sold as "caused by the war" but skyrocketed before the war and caused by financial speculation not by the evil Russian bear and so on. What's your plan? Produce fertilizers without gas + without animals since the Green New deal dislike meat? Produce the electric revolution without energy? BTW strategic reserves are for emergencies, using them without a plan to replenish them means consume anything and remain without anything and no plan. I've built my new house few years ago, well insulated, with p.v. etc I do not own EVs because so far a far from being a good idea but when neoliberals will push, because they'll do, gasoline to 4 euros/liter than an EV will be needed and I can recharge it, but industries can't and I do not produce such systems in my garage. While vast majority of population can't even afford a new home.
  - BlueTemplar 5y ago
    And this isn't an emergency ? When I posted my first comment, numbers in the link, I expected at least some of the answers to be in the vein of "lol no, we've been caught with our pants down, see this [source], we would have horrible shortages of X Y months before even the next winter", or maybe "ok, looks like we'll make it up to Z date[source], but that's quite the risk to take !" But nope, it's mostly been what looks like posturing about how I'm in denial of how the economy needs energy to run or something, even though I've explicitly based my first post on those considerations ! Really disappointed about HN here... (Jancovici, anyone ?)
    - kkfx 5y ago
      Numbers in modern managerial-driven society are consider The Absolute Truth while reality is "just a defective instance of our model", they are not. You can't have real tangible numbers, just generic approximations that might be more or less true. Climate change is evidently an emergency and evidently the Green New Deal public answers are not answers, their green color is dollar green not spring-grass ones. Actual shortage are probably 30% due to climate change, the rest due to artificial speculations and maneuvers to push "World Government" [1] green deal/great reset. But try to analyze it: from what they published so far if you want a realistic scenario you need to kill around 4 billion of humans, pushing too many more in extreme poverty. Did you really want numbers? [1] https://www.worldgovernmentsummit.org https://www.worldgovernmentsummit.org
      - BlueTemplar 5y ago
        > Numbers in modern managerial-driven society are consider The Absolute Truth while reality is "just a defective instance of our model", they are not. You can't have real tangible numbers, just generic approximations that might be more or less true. Yet again, why do you assume that I'm guilty of this ? I didn't ask for precise numbers, and you're throwing out the baby with the bathwater. I'm talking about the (new) Russian invasion of Ukraine being an emergency. (And the issues of overpopulation/pollution/depletion of natural resources aren't new - King Hubbert predicted in 1956 that US oil production would peak between 1965 and 1970 - and it did in 1970 - and it's not like he pulled those numbers out of his ass, but he based them on known numbers about production rates and discovery trends. And these topics were discussed quite extensively in the 70's, before we decided that we didn't care about the future - if anything, a forced reduction of EU reliance on hydrocarbons is also a good way to finally prepare us to the inevitable shortages that we're going to face anyway in the next decades.)
pixl97 5y ago
This is near conspiratorial thinking... ...The US forced RU to attack Ukraine because EU might get a benefit from RU resources... Let's just ignore Russian media and actions showing they are executing a full on genocide in Ukraine.
- kkfx 5y ago
  It's definitively not, see the past: after WWII "the ally" promise not to expand to the est Europe, they breach the agreement with Berlin since the start, and they keep going. They have, it's now history, planned invasion and destruction of "Russia" since WWII [1], when they start putting nukes near Soviet Union the Soviets rightly respond putting nukes in Cuba and you know the history. You know what neoliberals (western, mostly but not only anglophone ideology + some Russians in that case) have done after URSS collapse. What you call that? Oh, just to corroborate with USA neoliberal official sources https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB10014.html https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB10014.html About EU: we do have the most advanced tech of the world, but we do not have natural resources, the nearest, developed and vast potential partner is the Russian Federation, witch is geographically Europe till the Urals (so Moscow and most developed areas included) and we share a vast border, so no third party geopolitical tension can endanger our supply chain. In the last decades Russian Federation have try to offer the olive branch few times [2] but NATO (USA/UK) pressures stop them. In the meantime Russians have made the EuroAsiatic Union (EAEU) and we can complete it, commerce was flourishing etc. Now? Just for Ukraine read the OSCE report about who have started the war, who are the criminal (well the most criminal, at least) and where arms came from: https://www.osce.org/files/f/documents/e/7/233896.pdf https://www.osce.org/files/f/documents/e/7/233896.pdf also if you really follow the news you'll easy discover that vast majority of war crime reported on medias are classify as fake in few days, by western sources, like Italian TV showing a cut-scene from the game War Thunder stating that's the bombardment of Kiev, crying mothers sold as Ukrainian (true) omitting that's not a 2022 picture but one from 2014 of Russian-speaking Ukrainians mothers after Euromaidan nazi massacre so "one the other side" or the pregnant influencer "forced to live the maternity by the bomb" that declare just few days after that Azov nazis force her and other to leave because they took the hospital for military reasons etc. Oh, I've no doubt that there are crimes on both sides, that happen in all wars, but definitively the genocide I see is of Russian-speaking Ukrainians by nazi militia armed by NATO, and no I'm not a Putin fan. BTW just demand yourself why bomb a hospital, a theater etc if that's not used for military reasons, missiles have a price, an error can always happen, a systematic bombing means wasted gears so a nonsense. I'm a nephew of decorated Italian Partisans from WWII I was trained from my childhood to spot nazis with and without uniforms, and these days I realize that Putin is a dictator, but the USA and UK are worst dictatorship then him, also against their own people interests, and being European my interest is on the opposite side of the front because my interest if form a real EU, not just a monetary one, a Democratic one, not a Barnum circle, having cheap and abundant Russian resources not skyrocketing prices before the war because EU neoliberals, son of those who have created original nazi and fascist regimes, want big profits against their own people interests, my interest is a Russian Federation detached from China because China need a war just to have food for it's enormous population and USA/UK need a war to counter China because loosing South America and the see dominance for them means being destroyed and unable to continue their cleptocratic policies so my interest is left the hitting each others while EU+EAEU remain aside an profit. No conspiracy theory there just history, geopolitics and basic simple reasoning instead of slavishly and acritical trust of propaganda, from all sides. [1] for instance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unthinkable https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unthinkable https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/cold-war-on-file/operation-unthinkable/ https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/cold... https://www.thehistorypress.co.uk/articles/operation-unthinkable-churchill-s-plans-to-invade-the-soviet-union/ https://www.thehistorypress.co.uk/articles/operation-unthink... then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Dropshot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Dropshot http://www.allworldwars.com/Dropshot%20-%20American%20Plan%20for%20War%20with%20the%20Soviet%20Union%201957.html http://www.allworldwars.com/Dropshot%20-%20American%20Plan%2... https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/2268796/a-declassified-military-plan-reveals-how-the-usa-was-prepared-to-annihilate-the-ussr-with-terrifying-nuclear-force/ https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/2268796/a-declassified-milit... [2] http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/65899 http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/65899 then https://www.politico.eu/article/angela-merkel-urges-vladimir-putin-direct-contact-france-germany-overture-russia/ https://www.politico.eu/article/angela-merkel-urges-vladimir... then https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210625-eu-leaders-reject-france-germany-proposal-for-summit-with-putin https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210625-eu-leaders-rejec... followed by https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/06/25/kremlin-regrets-eu-rejection-of-proposed-putin-summit-a74346 https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/06/25/kremlin-regrets-eu... and slightly before https://tass.com/politics/1342189 https://tass.com/politics/1342189

by kkfx 5y ago

BlueTemplar 5y ago

I only see here lots of words and no numbers that would actually provide criticism of my plan. Even though I left an opening with the mention of strategic reserves !

kkfx 5y ago
What numbers you have and what numbers you want? I imaging you did know that most cars, trucks, ships, airplanes, many industries run on oil. Cheap oil is obviously a nice thing to have also to build the Green New Deal. I imaging you have seen the food provisioning issues. The skyrocketing prices sold as "caused by the war" but skyrocketed before the war and caused by financial speculation not by the evil Russian bear and so on. What's your plan? Produce fertilizers without gas + without animals since the Green New deal dislike meat? Produce the electric revolution without energy? BTW strategic reserves are for emergencies, using them without a plan to replenish them means consume anything and remain without anything and no plan. I've built my new house few years ago, well insulated, with p.v. etc I do not own EVs because so far a far from being a good idea but when neoliberals will push, because they'll do, gasoline to 4 euros/liter than an EV will be needed and I can recharge it, but industries can't and I do not produce such systems in my garage. While vast majority of population can't even afford a new home.
- BlueTemplar 5y ago
  And this isn't an emergency ? When I posted my first comment, numbers in the link, I expected at least some of the answers to be in the vein of "lol no, we've been caught with our pants down, see this [source], we would have horrible shortages of X Y months before even the next winter", or maybe "ok, looks like we'll make it up to Z date[source], but that's quite the risk to take !" But nope, it's mostly been what looks like posturing about how I'm in denial of how the economy needs energy to run or something, even though I've explicitly based my first post on those considerations ! Really disappointed about HN here... (Jancovici, anyone ?)
  - kkfx 5y ago
    Numbers in modern managerial-driven society are consider The Absolute Truth while reality is "just a defective instance of our model", they are not. You can't have real tangible numbers, just generic approximations that might be more or less true. Climate change is evidently an emergency and evidently the Green New Deal public answers are not answers, their green color is dollar green not spring-grass ones. Actual shortage are probably 30% due to climate change, the rest due to artificial speculations and maneuvers to push "World Government" [1] green deal/great reset. But try to analyze it: from what they published so far if you want a realistic scenario you need to kill around 4 billion of humans, pushing too many more in extreme poverty. Did you really want numbers? [1] https://www.worldgovernmentsummit.org https://www.worldgovernmentsummit.org
    - BlueTemplar 5y ago
      > Numbers in modern managerial-driven society are consider The Absolute Truth while reality is "just a defective instance of our model", they are not. You can't have real tangible numbers, just generic approximations that might be more or less true. Yet again, why do you assume that I'm guilty of this ? I didn't ask for precise numbers, and you're throwing out the baby with the bathwater. I'm talking about the (new) Russian invasion of Ukraine being an emergency. (And the issues of overpopulation/pollution/depletion of natural resources aren't new - King Hubbert predicted in 1956 that US oil production would peak between 1965 and 1970 - and it did in 1970 - and it's not like he pulled those numbers out of his ass, but he based them on known numbers about production rates and discovery trends. And these topics were discussed quite extensively in the 70's, before we decided that we didn't care about the future - if anything, a forced reduction of EU reliance on hydrocarbons is also a good way to finally prepare us to the inevitable shortages that we're going to face anyway in the next decades.)

pixl97 5y ago

This is near conspiratorial thinking... ...The US forced RU to attack Ukraine because EU might get a benefit from RU resources... Let's just ignore Russian media and actions showing they are executing a full on genocide in Ukraine.

kkfx 5y ago
It's definitively not, see the past: after WWII "the ally" promise not to expand to the est Europe, they breach the agreement with Berlin since the start, and they keep going. They have, it's now history, planned invasion and destruction of "Russia" since WWII [1], when they start putting nukes near Soviet Union the Soviets rightly respond putting nukes in Cuba and you know the history. You know what neoliberals (western, mostly but not only anglophone ideology + some Russians in that case) have done after URSS collapse. What you call that? Oh, just to corroborate with USA neoliberal official sources https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB10014.html https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB10014.html About EU: we do have the most advanced tech of the world, but we do not have natural resources, the nearest, developed and vast potential partner is the Russian Federation, witch is geographically Europe till the Urals (so Moscow and most developed areas included) and we share a vast border, so no third party geopolitical tension can endanger our supply chain. In the last decades Russian Federation have try to offer the olive branch few times [2] but NATO (USA/UK) pressures stop them. In the meantime Russians have made the EuroAsiatic Union (EAEU) and we can complete it, commerce was flourishing etc. Now? Just for Ukraine read the OSCE report about who have started the war, who are the criminal (well the most criminal, at least) and where arms came from: https://www.osce.org/files/f/documents/e/7/233896.pdf https://www.osce.org/files/f/documents/e/7/233896.pdf also if you really follow the news you'll easy discover that vast majority of war crime reported on medias are classify as fake in few days, by western sources, like Italian TV showing a cut-scene from the game War Thunder stating that's the bombardment of Kiev, crying mothers sold as Ukrainian (true) omitting that's not a 2022 picture but one from 2014 of Russian-speaking Ukrainians mothers after Euromaidan nazi massacre so "one the other side" or the pregnant influencer "forced to live the maternity by the bomb" that declare just few days after that Azov nazis force her and other to leave because they took the hospital for military reasons etc. Oh, I've no doubt that there are crimes on both sides, that happen in all wars, but definitively the genocide I see is of Russian-speaking Ukrainians by nazi militia armed by NATO, and no I'm not a Putin fan. BTW just demand yourself why bomb a hospital, a theater etc if that's not used for military reasons, missiles have a price, an error can always happen, a systematic bombing means wasted gears so a nonsense. I'm a nephew of decorated Italian Partisans from WWII I was trained from my childhood to spot nazis with and without uniforms, and these days I realize that Putin is a dictator, but the USA and UK are worst dictatorship then him, also against their own people interests, and being European my interest is on the opposite side of the front because my interest if form a real EU, not just a monetary one, a Democratic one, not a Barnum circle, having cheap and abundant Russian resources not skyrocketing prices before the war because EU neoliberals, son of those who have created original nazi and fascist regimes, want big profits against their own people interests, my interest is a Russian Federation detached from China because China need a war just to have food for it's enormous population and USA/UK need a war to counter China because loosing South America and the see dominance for them means being destroyed and unable to continue their cleptocratic policies so my interest is left the hitting each others while EU+EAEU remain aside an profit. No conspiracy theory there just history, geopolitics and basic simple reasoning instead of slavishly and acritical trust of propaganda, from all sides. [1] for instance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unthinkable https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unthinkable https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/cold-war-on-file/operation-unthinkable/ https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/cold... https://www.thehistorypress.co.uk/articles/operation-unthinkable-churchill-s-plans-to-invade-the-soviet-union/ https://www.thehistorypress.co.uk/articles/operation-unthink... then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Dropshot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Dropshot http://www.allworldwars.com/Dropshot%20-%20American%20Plan%20for%20War%20with%20the%20Soviet%20Union%201957.html http://www.allworldwars.com/Dropshot%20-%20American%20Plan%2... https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/2268796/a-declassified-military-plan-reveals-how-the-usa-was-prepared-to-annihilate-the-ussr-with-terrifying-nuclear-force/ https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/2268796/a-declassified-milit... [2] http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/65899 http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/65899 then https://www.politico.eu/article/angela-merkel-urges-vladimir-putin-direct-contact-france-germany-overture-russia/ https://www.politico.eu/article/angela-merkel-urges-vladimir... then https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210625-eu-leaders-reject-france-germany-proposal-for-summit-with-putin https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210625-eu-leaders-rejec... followed by https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/06/25/kremlin-regrets-eu-rejection-of-proposed-putin-summit-a74346 https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/06/25/kremlin-regrets-eu... and slightly before https://tass.com/politics/1342189 https://tass.com/politics/1342189