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You type in the word “site:”. That is crafting.

dmitriid 5y ago
That's not "crafting". And, additionally, the vast majority of people will never use (or even know) about this "crafting".
- ironmagma 5y ago
  Craft: “to make or produce with care, skill, or ingenuity.” It means to make something carefully, the same thing done when crafting a search query. That’s the way I meant it anyway. There is nothing particularly difficult about searching in Shortcut. You combine a set of available filters to make a composed filter the same way you search anything. The difference is that in JIRA, there are about 5 different ways to search and the operators are not always obvious.
  - dmitriid 5y ago
    What it looks like is you keep defending a shitty UX/UI by trying to justify it with inapplicable examples. > You combine a set of available filters to make a composed filter the same way you search anything This isn't even remotely similar to "anyone who uses a search engine, tries to find an email". Which brings us back to the original complaint, quote: "It's filters make no sense." If you "have to combine/craft filters to create a composite filter that you then use to search", you've failed. In exactly the same ways that Jira fails at this task.
    - ironmagma 5y ago
      I don’t care if you don’t use Shortcut. Use Linear instead, for example, since apparently a lot of people like it in this thread. I had never heard of it before. Main thing is, don’t pretend like JIRA is the only reasonable option because it just isn’t (not saying you were necessarily, but that is what I have a problem with people doing.)
      - dmitriid 5y ago
        > I don’t care if you don’t use Shortcut. I never said whether I was or wasn't using Shortcut. > Use Linear instead, for example, since apparently I never said whether or not I was looking for an alternative > don’t pretend like JIRA is the only reasonable option I never said anything about JIRA except in the following context: "If you <make things complicated>, you've failed. In exactly the same ways that Jira fails at this task." And you are the one who actually mentioned JIRA first. So how about: you stop pretending I said or implied something I never did?
        ironmagma 5y ago
        You accused me of defending something. What actually happened is I asked a series of clarification questions ("Filters make no sense?", "What flow?"), neither of which was answered by the way. Again, I have no dog in whether or not you use Shortcut. So I am not defending anything. >I never said anything about JIRA except in the following context That's exactly why I ended my last comment the way I did ("not saying you were necessarily"). > I never said whether or not I was looking for an alternative Why are you commenting on this thread? The whole point was to suggest an alternative. You never even suggested another way filters could work. As far as I can tell, the mathematical definition of a filter is that it's composed of sub-filters. So please either admit you're a negativity-spouting troll or contribute something positive.
        dmitriid 5y ago
        > The whole point was to suggest an alternative. I responded to this statement: "You craft the filters, so if that makes no sense it’s because you didn’t craft the right thing". No. No one in their right mind wants to "craft filters". If you require people to "craft filters" or "combine a set of available filters to make a composed filter", you've failed. It doesn't mater if it's Shortcut, or Linera, or JIRA, or any of the dozens of JIRA replacements/wannabes. That's the thing I'm responding to. An all your examples and allusions only serve to show that you don't understand this simple fact. For people to want to "combine/craft filters" these filters have to be immediate, smart, autocompleting, and properly predictive. As an example, Youtrack[1] shows how to do that more-or-less properly (though it has other issues). Shortcut can't even complete available states when you type `state:` into the search box. > As far as I can tell, the mathematical definition of a filter is that it's composed of sub-filters. Literally no one using project management software cares about mathematical definition of filter. Not a single soul. [1] https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issues https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issues

That's not "crafting". And, additionally, the vast majority of people will never use (or even know) about this "crafting".

ironmagma 5y ago
Craft: “to make or produce with care, skill, or ingenuity.” It means to make something carefully, the same thing done when crafting a search query. That’s the way I meant it anyway. There is nothing particularly difficult about searching in Shortcut. You combine a set of available filters to make a composed filter the same way you search anything. The difference is that in JIRA, there are about 5 different ways to search and the operators are not always obvious.
- dmitriid 5y ago
  What it looks like is you keep defending a shitty UX/UI by trying to justify it with inapplicable examples. > You combine a set of available filters to make a composed filter the same way you search anything This isn't even remotely similar to "anyone who uses a search engine, tries to find an email". Which brings us back to the original complaint, quote: "It's filters make no sense." If you "have to combine/craft filters to create a composite filter that you then use to search", you've failed. In exactly the same ways that Jira fails at this task.
  - ironmagma 5y ago
    I don’t care if you don’t use Shortcut. Use Linear instead, for example, since apparently a lot of people like it in this thread. I had never heard of it before. Main thing is, don’t pretend like JIRA is the only reasonable option because it just isn’t (not saying you were necessarily, but that is what I have a problem with people doing.)
    - dmitriid 5y ago
      > I don’t care if you don’t use Shortcut. I never said whether I was or wasn't using Shortcut. > Use Linear instead, for example, since apparently I never said whether or not I was looking for an alternative > don’t pretend like JIRA is the only reasonable option I never said anything about JIRA except in the following context: "If you <make things complicated>, you've failed. In exactly the same ways that Jira fails at this task." And you are the one who actually mentioned JIRA first. So how about: you stop pretending I said or implied something I never did?
      - ironmagma 5y ago
        You accused me of defending something. What actually happened is I asked a series of clarification questions ("Filters make no sense?", "What flow?"), neither of which was answered by the way. Again, I have no dog in whether or not you use Shortcut. So I am not defending anything. >I never said anything about JIRA except in the following context That's exactly why I ended my last comment the way I did ("not saying you were necessarily"). > I never said whether or not I was looking for an alternative Why are you commenting on this thread? The whole point was to suggest an alternative. You never even suggested another way filters could work. As far as I can tell, the mathematical definition of a filter is that it's composed of sub-filters. So please either admit you're a negativity-spouting troll or contribute something positive.
        dmitriid 5y ago
        > The whole point was to suggest an alternative. I responded to this statement: "You craft the filters, so if that makes no sense it’s because you didn’t craft the right thing". No. No one in their right mind wants to "craft filters". If you require people to "craft filters" or "combine a set of available filters to make a composed filter", you've failed. It doesn't mater if it's Shortcut, or Linera, or JIRA, or any of the dozens of JIRA replacements/wannabes. That's the thing I'm responding to. An all your examples and allusions only serve to show that you don't understand this simple fact. For people to want to "combine/craft filters" these filters have to be immediate, smart, autocompleting, and properly predictive. As an example, Youtrack[1] shows how to do that more-or-less properly (though it has other issues). Shortcut can't even complete available states when you type `state:` into the search box. > As far as I can tell, the mathematical definition of a filter is that it's composed of sub-filters. Literally no one using project management software cares about mathematical definition of filter. Not a single soul. [1] https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issues https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issues