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No, Russia should stop bombing people
by iso1210 5y ago
No, Russia should stop bombing people
- Razengan 5y agoAnd the US, having bombed more people all over the world than literally all other nations combined.
- IgorPartola 5y agoTwo wrongs make a right?
- kdkddk 5y ago
- esailija 5y agoIt's proof by contradiction. Either you are against bombing innocents or you are not. By holding a stance that only Russia bombing innocents is wrong you are not only for bombing innocents you are also a russophobe at the same time.
- bradleyjg 5y agoBy holding a stance that only Russia bombing innocents Who is holding that stance? Must every conversation start with a comprehensive list of all unjust things currently occurring anywhere in the world?
- esailija 5y ago> Who is holding that stance? The one who was willing to risk nuclear war for Russian actions, it's above in this comment thread. I am making pretty reasonable guess that the same person was not wanting nuclear war over similar actions of US.
- bradleyjg 5y agoSo we’ve gone from proof by contradiction to guess on top of guess. No agenda, right?
- Viliam1234 5y agoI think the tradition is that only conversations about unjust things done by Russia must start with a comprehensive list of all unjust things done by USA. Unjust things done by other countries can be discussed freely.
- simondotau 5y agoHang on, when did anyone in this thread say they were not against bombing innocents? You’re making rather bold assumptions here.
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- kergonath 5y agoIt’s not a proof. It begs the question and starts from the assumption that the OP is ok with the US bombing people. Then it uses the dodgy premise that the US is worse than Russia when considering the metric “number of people bombed” (which I assume includes things like Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and the Vietnam war, not bothering with details such as the fact that these were actual wars and not unprovoked agressions), ignoring any other metric like “number of killed foreign civilians”, on which Russia, as the proud heir of the USSR, would be vying for the top spot with nazi Germany. So yeah, faulty premise, cherry picking, and circular logic, as well as putting words into someone else’s mouth. It is just sub-standard trolling.
- mads_ravn 5y agoOne party is currently torturing and murdering civilians, which tends to skew the conversation in a particular direction. Once Russia has withdrawn all troops from Ukraine we can discus behavior of other nations.
- t-3 5y agoMost parties are currently torturing and killing civilians, but some have better PR departments. Guantanamo Bay, Iraq, Aafghanistan, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Venezuela, and the list goes on and on. Nobody cares until white people die though.
- kergonath 5y agoGuantanamo is a stain on the US and will be for the foreseeable future, just like internment camps for Japanese people during WWII. But comparing either with Grozny, Aleppo (seriously, why mention Syria at all?), or Mariupol is either completely disingenuous, or entirely uninformed. It is also a complete false equivalence to compare them to the neo-gulags, just ask Navalny. Which city did the US flatten since Dresden? How many hospitals did they voluntarily bomb? Hell, how many hospitals did the US bomb at all (and no, I don’t assume that number is zero)? Now, compare that to what happened in Karkhiv alone. Playing chicken when Assad used chemical weapons on Syrian civilians and Putin razed Grozny were stupid mistakes. This is not a reason to let the same thing happen again in Ukraine.
- FpUser 5y agoNo. But one definitely gets punishment and rightly so. The other never will. They just say fuck you. We are the good guys, we are exceptional and we have the biggest dick. Look what they promised to ICC should they ever try to indict their nationals.
- dotancohen 5y ago> Two wrongs make a right? No. But when the US normalizes a behaviour and other countries follow suit, why are those other countries criticized but the US is not? For what it's worth, I'm on neither side of the Ukraine-Russia debate. Both are horribly corrupt states, and NATO has been prodding Russia over the ex-Soviet states for a decade.
- todorus 5y agoExcuse me? Dutchie here, the US have a horrible reputation even among their allies. They are as much criticized as Russia is right now. Maybe even more so considering that we get more imagery from the "exploits" of the US. Stop with this double standard whataboutism, and maybe find some other circles to hang around in: you'll find the critique you wish for there.
- Razengan 5y agoStop with this double standard hypocrisy, and sanction the US as well if you really care about war crimes etc.
- bradleyjg 5y agoА у вас негров линчуют. Regimes come and go but whataboutism lives forever.
- acadapter 5y agoWhataboutism is a natural consequence of regarding double standards as something negative
- bradleyjg 5y agoWhere do you see a double standard? Did iso1210 say that the US should keep bombing people? This is just apologism for Russian atrocities masquerading as pointing out a double standard. As we’ve seen in the West for more than one hundred years now.
- Razengan 5y ago> whataboutism lives forever As does hypocrisy.
- Ancapistani 5y ago> А у вас негров линчуют. Google Translate: "And you have blacks linch" My assumption as to a more natural translation: "And you have Blacks lynched" Context: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes