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Now that is indeed a profound insight on what is deemed intelligence. If the “Observer” in unable to comprehend the article objectives of the subjects, how will

Now that is indeed a profound insight on what is deemed intelligence. If the “Observer” in unable to comprehend the article objectives of the subjects, how will the fulfillment of the objectives ever be recognized as intelligence? Decades ago, I read some article on how people with more than 30 IQ points of separation, effectively were incomprehensible to each other. Whether it is true or not, it also highlights a fallacy that the superior intellect can somehow “emulate/simulate” the lesser, and thereby understand the person.

tough 5y ago
If you have a high IQ, you can get high and wasted and lower it temporarily. No way to do that the other way around.
- bckr 5y ago
  Hmm, I think it's possible to raise your IQ by practicing and applying certain thinking strategies. Especially given that IQ is an artificial measure of intelligence.
  - tough 5y ago
    Like any target, when it becomes a target, ceases to be a good measure. But I remember some of the parts. most where pattern matching. or memory retention. Most humans cannot get better at this easily at least. You can always try... On working memory, I think the average is 7, or something like that, Try to remember a number in inversed order and see if you get past that to 9-10 that´s pretty hard to learn too I remember the day our class was asked about a dice. I was the only know that knew by observation the response to which number was under the dice not being visible. PS They always add up to seven YMMV
    - Alan_Dillman 5y ago
      Except when they don't. I had dice as a kid that did not follow this rule.
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- mlyle 5y ago
  Temporarily becoming intoxicated doesn't fix this. If your IQ is very high or very low, you likely have not spent a whole lot of time practicing things and pursuing things that typical people have. So the shared social language and thread of common experience that people depend upon to relate is limited.
- NateEag 5y ago
  Not temporary, but IIRC muy mother's measured IQ went up by twenty points when she learned how ratios work.
- Ancapistani 5y ago
  Huh. I now want to take a standardized IQ test, three times - once with sober, once mildly intoxicated by cannabis, and as intoxicated as possible while still being able to focus on the questions. I'm very confident that the time it would take me to answer a given question would increase about linearly with my level of intoxication, but I'm not at all confident that I would arrive at a different conclusion.
csa 5y ago
> Decades ago, I read some article on how people with more than 30 IQ points of separation, effectively were incomprehensible to each other. It’s more like “fundamentally perceive the world in a different way”, and generally leads to a lack of empathy towards the other group due to this difference of perception. This is one reason why, at least until recently, US generals were not known for their high IQ.
- 0des 5y ago
  A lot of marriages are this way and do fine. A diverse but comprehensive worldview is helpful when operating as a singular unit. You can be smart and ignorant at the same time in some ways, and that's okay.
  - trmonx 5y ago
    No they are not, most marriages are not between people with that different IQ. Most people are not that different even. What a weird thing to say.
- csa 5y ago
  > lack of empathy towards This should be: … inability to empathize with… Poor wording on my part.

tough 5y ago

If you have a high IQ, you can get high and wasted and lower it temporarily. No way to do that the other way around.

bckr 5y ago
Hmm, I think it's possible to raise your IQ by practicing and applying certain thinking strategies. Especially given that IQ is an artificial measure of intelligence.
- tough 5y ago
  Like any target, when it becomes a target, ceases to be a good measure. But I remember some of the parts. most where pattern matching. or memory retention. Most humans cannot get better at this easily at least. You can always try... On working memory, I think the average is 7, or something like that, Try to remember a number in inversed order and see if you get past that to 9-10 that´s pretty hard to learn too I remember the day our class was asked about a dice. I was the only know that knew by observation the response to which number was under the dice not being visible. PS They always add up to seven YMMV
  - Alan_Dillman 5y ago
    Except when they don't. I had dice as a kid that did not follow this rule.
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mlyle 5y ago
Temporarily becoming intoxicated doesn't fix this. If your IQ is very high or very low, you likely have not spent a whole lot of time practicing things and pursuing things that typical people have. So the shared social language and thread of common experience that people depend upon to relate is limited.
NateEag 5y ago
Not temporary, but IIRC muy mother's measured IQ went up by twenty points when she learned how ratios work.
Ancapistani 5y ago
Huh. I now want to take a standardized IQ test, three times - once with sober, once mildly intoxicated by cannabis, and as intoxicated as possible while still being able to focus on the questions. I'm very confident that the time it would take me to answer a given question would increase about linearly with my level of intoxication, but I'm not at all confident that I would arrive at a different conclusion.

csa 5y ago

> Decades ago, I read some article on how people with more than 30 IQ points of separation, effectively were incomprehensible to each other. It’s more like “fundamentally perceive the world in a different way”, and generally leads to a lack of empathy towards the other group due to this difference of perception. This is one reason why, at least until recently, US generals were not known for their high IQ.

0des 5y ago
A lot of marriages are this way and do fine. A diverse but comprehensive worldview is helpful when operating as a singular unit. You can be smart and ignorant at the same time in some ways, and that's okay.
- trmonx 5y ago
  No they are not, most marriages are not between people with that different IQ. Most people are not that different even. What a weird thing to say.
csa 5y ago
> lack of empathy towards This should be: … inability to empathize with… Poor wording on my part.