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How many accepted a pass for covid ? You guys complaining now, but if they say "it is for your health, for fighting covid", you will accept everything like good

by Heyso 4y ago

How many accepted a pass for covid ? You guys complaining now, but if they say "it is for your health, for fighting covid", you will accept everything like good sheeps. Milgram experience, if autority say something, most are sheep, and if you accepted covid passport and restrictions you are part of the problem.

TazeTSchnitzel 4y ago
COVID vaccination certificates are nothing interesting. My EU passport has my fingerprints and my face on the integrated chip and that's all going to be uploaded to some massive Schengen database. Half the websites I use in this country know my personal identity number and many interactions require ID. A certificate saying I got a jab is nothing to all this, and doesn't enable any interesting tracking that wasn't already happening.
- bigDinosaur 4y ago
  It merely normalises another means of control, and sets a behavioural precedent for similar such restrictions and documents in the future. As always the problem usually isn't with the very first use of anything, but what governments think they can get away with after testing the waters.
  - palmetieri2000 4y ago
    So does a Drivers License.
    - bigDinosaur 4y ago
      It is without precedent to have to show a vaccine pass to enter cafes in human history. I'm confident that we actually have set an entirely new precedent with them, and it's not a good one.
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- qiskit 4y ago
  > A certificate saying I got a jab is nothing to all this, and doesn't enable any interesting tracking that wasn't already happening. Do you have to provide your passport to every shop, bus, train, etc that you use? There is a difference between monitoring your id when you travel between nations and being monitored everywhere.
  - lern_too_spel 4y ago
    If I want to rent a car, I have to provide my driver's license. Any time I do something that might be risky to the person providing the service, I have to provide evidence that reduces the risk they are assuming. When cars become self-driving, I will no longer have to provide a driver's license, and when the pandemic became endemic, people no longer had to provide proof of vaccination. The fear-mongering about slippery slopes is completely unfounded.
  - landemva 4y ago
    I tried to get a COVID finger prick antibody test while paying cash. The Kroger 'Little Clinic' insisted on ID and photocopying it. I refused and asked to see the written notice and privacy policy. They called store security on me. Apparently eveyone else complies.
vasco 4y ago
You'll find that in life if you want to make a point, calling people sheep is rarely the most effective way to do it.
- belter 4y ago
  Although I agree with you on the form, that does not disprove the fact most will look into argumentum ad populum reasons, and social pressures to conform to where the sheep are going. Religious beliefs being the prime example, after all they even say: "The Lord is my Shepherd" ;-)
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V__ 4y ago
Comparing a QR-Code (which the EU covid pass is) with a facial recognition database, calling people sheep and thinking that's a gotcha argument makes you sound disingenuous at best and stupid at worst. For the future: Try also reminding people of the microchips which Gates added to the vaccine and that it's all Clintons fault.
- haveyoubeen 4y ago
refurb 4y ago
Their comment was fair. A touch indelicate, but fair.
- jodrellblank 4y ago
  Just because "the authorities" say something is a good idea, doesn't automatically make it a bad idea. If you accept that breathing asbestos dust can cause lung cancer, are you a good little sheep who is part of the problem?
  - refurb 4y ago
    Of course not, but blindly following authorities is a bad move in general.
    - palmetieri2000 4y ago
      and who was acting blindly?
elric 4y ago
From what I've seen, there was very little public support for the covid certificate. People sort of put up with it because they were banned from public places without it. It was difficult to mount any meaningful protest, because protesting was difficult and dangerous at the time. Of course you've failed to mention that the use of a covid certificate was largely elective. You could simply not go out for dinner or on vacation and you would have been fine. Things are bit different when it comes to mass surveillance, databases, and facial recognition.
- jimmydorry 4y ago
  >Of course you've failed to mention that the use of a covid certificate was largely elective. You could simply not go out for dinner or on vacation and you would have been fine. Huh? In most of Australia, varying on a state by state basis, signing in via QR code was not elective and was mandatory for all public venues _including shops_. Most people do not have >1 month of food, and restrictions remained in place for a lot longer than that. These sign-ins were tied to vaccination status and the state governments made a two-tier system where they classified what types of business would only allow vaccinated people in. GP has it right in their assertion that people will just follow what the government says is best. We had a mass-scale demonstration of this in action!
  - elric 4y ago
    > Huh? In most of Australia, varying on a state by state basis, signing in via QR code was not elective and was mandatory for all public venues _including shops_. This is highly location dependent. In (most of? all of?) Europe signing in was only required for pubs/restaurants/hotels/concerts and never for essential services like shops or pharmacies.
wolverine876 4y ago
Is following all law and regulation preparation for authoritarianism? What about driving on the proper side of the road and stopping at red lights? Not defecating in the streets? Waiting in line? Requiring a license to practice medicine? Etc.

by Heyso 4y ago

TazeTSchnitzel 4y ago

COVID vaccination certificates are nothing interesting. My EU passport has my fingerprints and my face on the integrated chip and that's all going to be uploaded to some massive Schengen database. Half the websites I use in this country know my personal identity number and many interactions require ID. A certificate saying I got a jab is nothing to all this, and doesn't enable any interesting tracking that wasn't already happening.

bigDinosaur 4y ago
It merely normalises another means of control, and sets a behavioural precedent for similar such restrictions and documents in the future. As always the problem usually isn't with the very first use of anything, but what governments think they can get away with after testing the waters.
- palmetieri2000 4y ago
  So does a Drivers License.
  - bigDinosaur 4y ago
    It is without precedent to have to show a vaccine pass to enter cafes in human history. I'm confident that we actually have set an entirely new precedent with them, and it's not a good one.
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qiskit 4y ago
> A certificate saying I got a jab is nothing to all this, and doesn't enable any interesting tracking that wasn't already happening. Do you have to provide your passport to every shop, bus, train, etc that you use? There is a difference between monitoring your id when you travel between nations and being monitored everywhere.
- lern_too_spel 4y ago
  If I want to rent a car, I have to provide my driver's license. Any time I do something that might be risky to the person providing the service, I have to provide evidence that reduces the risk they are assuming. When cars become self-driving, I will no longer have to provide a driver's license, and when the pandemic became endemic, people no longer had to provide proof of vaccination. The fear-mongering about slippery slopes is completely unfounded.
- landemva 4y ago
  I tried to get a COVID finger prick antibody test while paying cash. The Kroger 'Little Clinic' insisted on ID and photocopying it. I refused and asked to see the written notice and privacy policy. They called store security on me. Apparently eveyone else complies.

vasco 4y ago

You'll find that in life if you want to make a point, calling people sheep is rarely the most effective way to do it.

belter 4y ago
Although I agree with you on the form, that does not disprove the fact most will look into argumentum ad populum reasons, and social pressures to conform to where the sheep are going. Religious beliefs being the prime example, after all they even say: "The Lord is my Shepherd" ;-)
deleted 4y ago
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V__ 4y ago

Comparing a QR-Code (which the EU covid pass is) with a facial recognition database, calling people sheep and thinking that's a gotcha argument makes you sound disingenuous at best and stupid at worst. For the future: Try also reminding people of the microchips which Gates added to the vaccine and that it's all Clintons fault.

haveyoubeen 4y ago

refurb 4y ago

Their comment was fair. A touch indelicate, but fair.

jodrellblank 4y ago
Just because "the authorities" say something is a good idea, doesn't automatically make it a bad idea. If you accept that breathing asbestos dust can cause lung cancer, are you a good little sheep who is part of the problem?
- refurb 4y ago
  Of course not, but blindly following authorities is a bad move in general.
  - palmetieri2000 4y ago
    and who was acting blindly?

elric 4y ago

From what I've seen, there was very little public support for the covid certificate. People sort of put up with it because they were banned from public places without it. It was difficult to mount any meaningful protest, because protesting was difficult and dangerous at the time. Of course you've failed to mention that the use of a covid certificate was largely elective. You could simply not go out for dinner or on vacation and you would have been fine. Things are bit different when it comes to mass surveillance, databases, and facial recognition.

jimmydorry 4y ago
>Of course you've failed to mention that the use of a covid certificate was largely elective. You could simply not go out for dinner or on vacation and you would have been fine. Huh? In most of Australia, varying on a state by state basis, signing in via QR code was not elective and was mandatory for all public venues _including shops_. Most people do not have >1 month of food, and restrictions remained in place for a lot longer than that. These sign-ins were tied to vaccination status and the state governments made a two-tier system where they classified what types of business would only allow vaccinated people in. GP has it right in their assertion that people will just follow what the government says is best. We had a mass-scale demonstration of this in action!
- elric 4y ago
  > Huh? In most of Australia, varying on a state by state basis, signing in via QR code was not elective and was mandatory for all public venues _including shops_. This is highly location dependent. In (most of? all of?) Europe signing in was only required for pubs/restaurants/hotels/concerts and never for essential services like shops or pharmacies.

wolverine876 4y ago

Is following all law and regulation preparation for authoritarianism? What about driving on the proper side of the road and stopping at red lights? Not defecating in the streets? Waiting in line? Requiring a license to practice medicine? Etc.