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Russia can import all the Western consumer products it wants from China in exchange for natural resources. The idea that Russians will rise up because they can

by unmole 5y ago

Russia can import all the Western consumer products it wants from China in exchange for natural resources. The idea that Russians will rise up because they can't access YouTube is wishful thinking. Stalin was objectively worse. But he still managed to die in office without ever having to face a real uprising. While there might be a degradation in efficiency, it's not like Russia will be unable to keep extracting natural resources without Western assistance. Iraq under Saddam Hussein was able to keep selling oil despite the sanctions.

sofixa 5y ago
I'd like to see them import airliners, iPhones or high precision sensors from China.
- unmole 5y ago
  I specifically said consumer products. But fine: Russian aircraft industry still remains very capable. It's not unimaginable that they'll be able to keep the planes they stole flying for a while. Sure, there might be crashes like with Iran. But it's not like Russian regime particular cares about the lives of Russian citizens. Last I checked iPhones were made in China. Sure, Apple might decide not to sell them in Russia but that still leaves perfectly serviceable smartphones from the likes of Xaomi, Huawei and Oppo. Iran somehow manages to keep pumping oil and gas despite the sanctions. While there will be obvious loss of productivity, let's stop pretending that the sanctions will somehow grind the Russian economy to a halt or that they will induce regime change.
  - ElectricalUnion 5y ago
    > It's not unimaginable that they'll be able to keep the planes they stole flying for a while. The funny thing is, they can't even attept to give them back, the airspace of "the rightfull owners" is closed to Russia. And accepting any sort of materials/capital from Russia is frowned upon now.
  - pixl97 5y ago
    Engaging in war takes a massive amount of economic production. Especially when your burning resources like Russia is currently. If Russia wants to replace its technology losses in a relatively quick manner it absolutely will take a large portion of their economy to do so.
- ElectricalUnion 5y ago
  > I'd like to see them import airliners They build their own. > iPhones or high precision sensors from China. China itself won't do it, but I forsee that less savoury third parties are probably very interested in partaking this potential highly profitable triangular trade route.
  - sofixa 5y ago
    > They build their own. No they don't. The only airliner they build is the small Sukhoi SSJ-10, which uses French engines and a ton of Western avionics and systems.
    - ElectricalUnion 5y ago
      Tu-204? It's performance and efficiency are horrible by Western standards, but it's by no mean bad enough to be unusable. Irkut MC-21? Most of the actual aircraft don't need to be big to be effective. Russia actually has a small population for it's size. They actually (well, not anymore) build a substantial ammount of Ukranian aircraft as well, most of the Ukraine Antonov aircraft was more or less actually manufactured in Russia.

by unmole 5y ago

sofixa 5y ago

I'd like to see them import airliners, iPhones or high precision sensors from China.

unmole 5y ago
I specifically said consumer products. But fine: Russian aircraft industry still remains very capable. It's not unimaginable that they'll be able to keep the planes they stole flying for a while. Sure, there might be crashes like with Iran. But it's not like Russian regime particular cares about the lives of Russian citizens. Last I checked iPhones were made in China. Sure, Apple might decide not to sell them in Russia but that still leaves perfectly serviceable smartphones from the likes of Xaomi, Huawei and Oppo. Iran somehow manages to keep pumping oil and gas despite the sanctions. While there will be obvious loss of productivity, let's stop pretending that the sanctions will somehow grind the Russian economy to a halt or that they will induce regime change.
- ElectricalUnion 5y ago
  > It's not unimaginable that they'll be able to keep the planes they stole flying for a while. The funny thing is, they can't even attept to give them back, the airspace of "the rightfull owners" is closed to Russia. And accepting any sort of materials/capital from Russia is frowned upon now.
- pixl97 5y ago
  Engaging in war takes a massive amount of economic production. Especially when your burning resources like Russia is currently. If Russia wants to replace its technology losses in a relatively quick manner it absolutely will take a large portion of their economy to do so.
ElectricalUnion 5y ago
> I'd like to see them import airliners They build their own. > iPhones or high precision sensors from China. China itself won't do it, but I forsee that less savoury third parties are probably very interested in partaking this potential highly profitable triangular trade route.
- sofixa 5y ago
  > They build their own. No they don't. The only airliner they build is the small Sukhoi SSJ-10, which uses French engines and a ton of Western avionics and systems.
  - ElectricalUnion 5y ago
    Tu-204? It's performance and efficiency are horrible by Western standards, but it's by no mean bad enough to be unusable. Irkut MC-21? Most of the actual aircraft don't need to be big to be effective. Russia actually has a small population for it's size. They actually (well, not anymore) build a substantial ammount of Ukranian aircraft as well, most of the Ukraine Antonov aircraft was more or less actually manufactured in Russia.