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Notion

mywaifuismeta 4y ago
Same thing. Incredibly slow and clunky for me as well. Seems like all tools go through this evolution because you know, somehow they have to get VC-sized returns instead of staying small and nimble. I stopped using tools with any kind of lock-in or custom format because I know they will eventually degrade into something unusable.
nnoitra 4y ago
Notion is just way too convoluted.
mszcz 4y ago
It's nice but it's slow. Would love to have a solution that combined Notion's capabilities with Sublime Text's speed and maybe JetBrains's ability to work with keyboard shortcuts.
- randomluck040 4y ago
  You might take a look at Obsidian. For me it’s the best of two (or how many you like) worlds. You can sync your files via git or a cloud service of your liking. What bugs me is that it’s not open source but what makes it great is a lot of open source developers contributing plugins and themes.
  - mszcz 4y ago
    Oh, I did. It looked real nice but I'm not there yet. Sticking to Sublime Text for the time being but if I were to switch to something right now, I'd be Obsidian.
  - fguerraz 4y ago
    I know it's biased because it's an opinion from a competitor, but it's interesting nevertheless: https://blog.standardnotes.com/33536/how-not-to-build-a-secure-plugins-architecture https://blog.standardnotes.com/33536/how-not-to-build-a-secu...
    - randomluck040 4y ago
      I‘ll give it a read, thank you!
    - jitl 4y ago
      Have you considered adding a capability for plugins to draw HTML into an <iframe sandbox>? I'm always pondering such features, but I'm wary of letting a plugin potentially block the CPU forever with custom <script> elements. I have a solution to plugin CPU blocking for pure API plugins (https://github.com/justjake/quickjs-emscripten https://github.com/justjake/quickjs-emscripten) but not a way to meld it safely with HTML access.
sdoering 4y ago
Notion has a very nice feature set. I like to use it for my freelance side business. Currently it is sadly the best set of features within one tool for me (at least the subset I use). I would love to switch to an open source variant to self host. But till then I will probably stay with it. Still. I don't like the slowness (web and app). I don't like how it feels just off sometimes. And how the Android app just so-so works for me.
- randomluck040 4y ago
  What bugs me more than Notion not being open source is that the notes are nowhere on my device apparently but on their servers. I don’t have anything locally. If something happens to Notion or I don’t have access to the web, I’m done?
  - conscion 4y ago
    Notion has export function that allows exporting your entire workspace to Markdown, HTML, or PDF. I do it once a month so that. (It'd be really nice though if Notion had an automated solution to back up to Google Drive, etc.)
    - randomluck040 4y ago
      Today I’ve learned! I knew about the export function but not that you could export the entire workspace. I’ll take a look into that. I’m currently 50/50 between Notion and Obsidian, however a blog post regarding obsidian plugins makes me think twice…
grandchild 4y ago
I find it telling that notion managed to break the core web concept of the hyperlink by implementing their own version of the <a> tag. If I middle-click on a link to open it in a new tab, I paste-insert my clipboard content _into the link text_ instead (I'm on Linux). That's just horrible.
- jitl 4y ago
  (I work at Notion) It's actually the browser's default behavior to do what you're describing! Inside a `contenteditable` element, links no longer behave as links -- they aren't clickable, and hovering over the link doesn't show a preview of the HREF attribute in the browsers I've tested. So in order for links to do link things, we have to fight the browser and re-implement these behaviors. Here's a codesandbox with no JS to demonstate this: https://codesandbox.io/embed/optimistic-resonance-jbyeef?fontsize=14&hidenavigation=1&theme=dark https://codesandbox.io/embed/optimistic-resonance-jbyeef?fon... I created a task to track this bug internally. I think we can probably solve by calling preventDefault for the middle-click event if it bubbles up from inside a link.
  - jfdksjf4hfsfasa 4y ago
    (not gp) Is there any way to track the progress of this? I would be very happy to see this fixed. Btw, if links inside a contenteditable aren't supposed to behave as links, why make it clickable in the first place? Because if you make it act like a link, you indeed have to reimplement the whole thing because of expectations. I'm no interaction designer, but imho a simple edit button would be mucher simpler. It could still be integrated nicely, no need to have wiki-like editing where the entire context is lost.
    - jitl 4y ago
      I think an edit button could improve Notion’s UX for small touchscreen devices where drag gesture is used for both scrolling and editing, but it would make the product worse for larger screen devices with precise pointing. It’s better to work hard in order to build the ideal product, than to make developers lives easy at the cost of a worse product.
bellBivDinesh 4y ago
I use notion and I have to say regardless of what you want to use it for it will probably do much more than that for your use case once you understand how it works. My only quibble is the lack of offline functionality.
- robbedpeter 4y ago
  Yes. We carry supercomputers in our pockets, it's nice being able to use them and not be subject to connection issues or server outages, or developer whim.

Notion

Same thing. Incredibly slow and clunky for me as well. Seems like all tools go through this evolution because you know, somehow they have to get VC-sized returns instead of staying small and nimble. I stopped using tools with any kind of lock-in or custom format because I know they will eventually degrade into something unusable.

nnoitra 4y ago

Notion is just way too convoluted.

mszcz 4y ago

It's nice but it's slow. Would love to have a solution that combined Notion's capabilities with Sublime Text's speed and maybe JetBrains's ability to work with keyboard shortcuts.

randomluck040 4y ago
You might take a look at Obsidian. For me it’s the best of two (or how many you like) worlds. You can sync your files via git or a cloud service of your liking. What bugs me is that it’s not open source but what makes it great is a lot of open source developers contributing plugins and themes.
- mszcz 4y ago
  Oh, I did. It looked real nice but I'm not there yet. Sticking to Sublime Text for the time being but if I were to switch to something right now, I'd be Obsidian.
- fguerraz 4y ago
  I know it's biased because it's an opinion from a competitor, but it's interesting nevertheless: https://blog.standardnotes.com/33536/how-not-to-build-a-secure-plugins-architecture https://blog.standardnotes.com/33536/how-not-to-build-a-secu...
  - randomluck040 4y ago
    I‘ll give it a read, thank you!
  - jitl 4y ago
    Have you considered adding a capability for plugins to draw HTML into an <iframe sandbox>? I'm always pondering such features, but I'm wary of letting a plugin potentially block the CPU forever with custom <script> elements. I have a solution to plugin CPU blocking for pure API plugins (https://github.com/justjake/quickjs-emscripten https://github.com/justjake/quickjs-emscripten) but not a way to meld it safely with HTML access.

sdoering 4y ago

Notion has a very nice feature set. I like to use it for my freelance side business. Currently it is sadly the best set of features within one tool for me (at least the subset I use). I would love to switch to an open source variant to self host. But till then I will probably stay with it. Still. I don't like the slowness (web and app). I don't like how it feels just off sometimes. And how the Android app just so-so works for me.

randomluck040 4y ago
What bugs me more than Notion not being open source is that the notes are nowhere on my device apparently but on their servers. I don’t have anything locally. If something happens to Notion or I don’t have access to the web, I’m done?
- conscion 4y ago
  Notion has export function that allows exporting your entire workspace to Markdown, HTML, or PDF. I do it once a month so that. (It'd be really nice though if Notion had an automated solution to back up to Google Drive, etc.)
  - randomluck040 4y ago
    Today I’ve learned! I knew about the export function but not that you could export the entire workspace. I’ll take a look into that. I’m currently 50/50 between Notion and Obsidian, however a blog post regarding obsidian plugins makes me think twice…

grandchild 4y ago

I find it telling that notion managed to break the core web concept of the hyperlink by implementing their own version of the <a> tag. If I middle-click on a link to open it in a new tab, I paste-insert my clipboard content _into the link text_ instead (I'm on Linux). That's just horrible.

jitl 4y ago
(I work at Notion) It's actually the browser's default behavior to do what you're describing! Inside a `contenteditable` element, links no longer behave as links -- they aren't clickable, and hovering over the link doesn't show a preview of the HREF attribute in the browsers I've tested. So in order for links to do link things, we have to fight the browser and re-implement these behaviors. Here's a codesandbox with no JS to demonstate this: https://codesandbox.io/embed/optimistic-resonance-jbyeef?fontsize=14&hidenavigation=1&theme=dark https://codesandbox.io/embed/optimistic-resonance-jbyeef?fon... I created a task to track this bug internally. I think we can probably solve by calling preventDefault for the middle-click event if it bubbles up from inside a link.
- jfdksjf4hfsfasa 4y ago
  (not gp) Is there any way to track the progress of this? I would be very happy to see this fixed. Btw, if links inside a contenteditable aren't supposed to behave as links, why make it clickable in the first place? Because if you make it act like a link, you indeed have to reimplement the whole thing because of expectations. I'm no interaction designer, but imho a simple edit button would be mucher simpler. It could still be integrated nicely, no need to have wiki-like editing where the entire context is lost.
  - jitl 4y ago
    I think an edit button could improve Notion’s UX for small touchscreen devices where drag gesture is used for both scrolling and editing, but it would make the product worse for larger screen devices with precise pointing. It’s better to work hard in order to build the ideal product, than to make developers lives easy at the cost of a worse product.

bellBivDinesh 4y ago

I use notion and I have to say regardless of what you want to use it for it will probably do much more than that for your use case once you understand how it works. My only quibble is the lack of offline functionality.

robbedpeter 4y ago
Yes. We carry supercomputers in our pockets, it's nice being able to use them and not be subject to connection issues or server outages, or developer whim.