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> and hope for a quick capitulation before next winter. Sure, Russia will capitulate in a matter of months in the face of economic sanctions. Just like Iraq, I

• BlueTemplar 5y ago
  Probably, but the "stop invading Ukraine" goal is much more achievable too.
• 7speter 5y ago
  North Korea, Cuba, and Iran didn’t get sanctioned for staging an invasion against another country. Iran invaded another country and didn’t have nukes…
  • unmole 5y ago
    The question at hand is the practical impacts of economic sanctions against Russia. Imagining Russia will capitulate by next winter when much weaker regimes managed to hold out for decades is pure fantasy.
  • croes 5y ago
    You mean Iraq invaded another country, after they failed invading Iran with western support.
• sofixa 5y ago
  They all started from a much less developed and connected economy. The average Russian has a smartphone, access to Internet, uses YouTube, etc. It's part of their daily lives and it's no longer there ( or severely restricted). Contrast that with the average Iranian or North Korean, who had limited interactions with "western" products that matter. And that's just for the people and the hope they'll rise up. The Russian economy is also very dependent on imports of high quality stuffs they can't replace. Including their main income source, natural resources ( they use Western tech for sensors and whatnot around extracting and transporting oil, gas, etc.).
  • unmole 5y ago
    Russia can import all the Western consumer products it wants from China in exchange for natural resources. The idea that Russians will rise up because they can't access YouTube is wishful thinking. Stalin was objectively worse. But he still managed to die in office without ever having to face a real uprising. While there might be a degradation in efficiency, it's not like Russia will be unable to keep extracting natural resources without Western assistance. Iraq under Saddam Hussein was able to keep selling oil despite the sanctions.
    • sofixa 5y ago
      I'd like to see them import airliners, iPhones or high precision sensors from China.
      • unmole 5y ago
        I specifically said consumer products. But fine: Russian aircraft industry still remains very capable. It's not unimaginable that they'll be able to keep the planes they stole flying for a while. Sure, there might be crashes like with Iran. But it's not like Russian regime particular cares about the lives of Russian citizens. Last I checked iPhones were made in China. Sure, Apple might decide not to sell them in Russia but that still leaves perfectly serviceable smartphones from the likes of Xaomi, Huawei and Oppo. Iran somehow manages to keep pumping oil and gas despite the sanctions. While there will be obvious loss of productivity, let's stop pretending that the sanctions will somehow grind the Russian economy to a halt or that they will induce regime change.
        • ElectricalUnion 5y ago
          > It's not unimaginable that they'll be able to keep the planes they stole flying for a while. The funny thing is, they can't even attept to give them back, the airspace of "the rightfull owners" is closed to Russia. And accepting any sort of materials/capital from Russia is frowned upon now.
        • pixl97 5y ago