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Well, Ukraine doesn't want things to stop either, otherwise they'd loose the juicy transit royalties they get from their pipeline that delivers gas from russia

Well, Ukraine doesn't want things to stop either, otherwise they'd loose the juicy transit royalties they get from their pipeline that delivers gas from russia to EU countries So i suppose it is the same here, EU are way too dependent on fossil fuel from Russia, stopping everything right now = some families won't have energy to heat their homes, very important these days since EU got hit with a cold wave Also stopping everything right now mean no way to get the food industry to run properly and farmers to secure their production for next year People die in Ukraine, so but let's not add more death on top of them because of cold and famine https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy/news/ukraine-sets-new-tariffs-for-russian-gas-transit-to-europe/ https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy/news/ukraine-sets-ne...

jamesmishra 5y ago
I can't speak for the Ukrainians, but stopping the war is probably more important than the transit royalties.
- ilammy 5y ago
  As an immediate goal – maybe, but how connected these things are? It's not like Ukraine getting paid their transit tariffs actively funds the war. Also, would the war stop if Ukraine takes a nuclear option and blows up the pipeline? Unlikely, I'd say. But that's a good way to jeopardize the future in N years, throwing away economic and political leverage like that. The war would go away – but so would the income and power.
  - jamesmishra 5y ago
    But it's a tariff on revenue that goes to Russian oil companies--all of whom have close ties to Putin's administration. Again, I can't speak for Ukraine, but I think their policy position is clear. It's not like the Ukrainians are saying, "Russian oil is great! Everybody buy it now!"
- ElectricalUnion 5y ago
  > I can't speak for the Ukrainians, but stopping the war is probably more important than the transit royalties. If it was so, then Ukranians themselves would have stopped the very profitable gas transit.
  - FrenchAmerican 5y ago
    The EU just told Zelensky not to touch the pipelines, otherwise Ukraine would loose support of many European countries. Since the start of Putin's criminal invasion of Ukraine, the EU has paid 35 billion euros to Russia and send about 1 billion € of weapons. The UK sent plenty of weapons, certainly because the Tories had to prove that they have not been corrupted by Russian oligarchs' money - which they were. London has been nicknamed "the Laundry" by Russian oligarchs. The US has sent plenty as well. Stopping the imports of oil and gas would be a huge blow for the Russian economy. The EU is working on it, but the dependency is very high. So the EU ought to act more decently towards Ukraine and provide all the weapons and training they need. I consider that volunteers among professional soldiers should be allowed to take a sabbatical and go - by their owns means and without weapons - to Ukraine. In the end, they will retrieve the weapons they are used to. We need to do more for Ukraine. The dependency on the Russian has and oil makes that need even more pressing. Tens of thousand professional soldiers from the EU would make a difference. Note: The volunteers going on their own, it implies that they won't be paid. So private citizens would have to compensate them: they have families to sustain. I'm pretty sure that money wouldn't be a problem. But it has to remain a private decision, nothing involving the states. By the way, OTAN is a defensive alliance. It doesn't forbid a member to decide to send troops on the Ukrainian front. The US won't and shouldn't. That's an European war. Having the US support (weapons, logistics, intelligence) is already a huge help. As a French citizen, I feel that our duty as a democracy is to officially sends troops to Ukraine. Putin needs to be stopped. I don't believe in a second of a nuclear escalation, escape on one matter: Crimea. It's an Ukrainian territory but Russians may go bersek if we retake it. But let's kick Putin out of Dombass and Transnistria. But, if reelected, Macron is far too concerned by French large investments in Russia ; and its far-right opponent, Le Pen, share many views with Putin (and has yet to reimburse 12 millions of euros lent by a Russian bank for her 2017 campaign).
sacrosancty 5y ago
How about a ramping up tarriff so there's no shock?
- Shadonototra 5y ago
  it doesn't matter what about USA stop importing oil from Russia? they increased their imports since the crisis https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202204/1257500.shtml https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202204/1257500.shtml

jamesmishra 5y ago

I can't speak for the Ukrainians, but stopping the war is probably more important than the transit royalties.

ilammy 5y ago
As an immediate goal – maybe, but how connected these things are? It's not like Ukraine getting paid their transit tariffs actively funds the war. Also, would the war stop if Ukraine takes a nuclear option and blows up the pipeline? Unlikely, I'd say. But that's a good way to jeopardize the future in N years, throwing away economic and political leverage like that. The war would go away – but so would the income and power.
- jamesmishra 5y ago
  But it's a tariff on revenue that goes to Russian oil companies--all of whom have close ties to Putin's administration. Again, I can't speak for Ukraine, but I think their policy position is clear. It's not like the Ukrainians are saying, "Russian oil is great! Everybody buy it now!"
ElectricalUnion 5y ago
> I can't speak for the Ukrainians, but stopping the war is probably more important than the transit royalties. If it was so, then Ukranians themselves would have stopped the very profitable gas transit.
- FrenchAmerican 5y ago
  The EU just told Zelensky not to touch the pipelines, otherwise Ukraine would loose support of many European countries. Since the start of Putin's criminal invasion of Ukraine, the EU has paid 35 billion euros to Russia and send about 1 billion € of weapons. The UK sent plenty of weapons, certainly because the Tories had to prove that they have not been corrupted by Russian oligarchs' money - which they were. London has been nicknamed "the Laundry" by Russian oligarchs. The US has sent plenty as well. Stopping the imports of oil and gas would be a huge blow for the Russian economy. The EU is working on it, but the dependency is very high. So the EU ought to act more decently towards Ukraine and provide all the weapons and training they need. I consider that volunteers among professional soldiers should be allowed to take a sabbatical and go - by their owns means and without weapons - to Ukraine. In the end, they will retrieve the weapons they are used to. We need to do more for Ukraine. The dependency on the Russian has and oil makes that need even more pressing. Tens of thousand professional soldiers from the EU would make a difference. Note: The volunteers going on their own, it implies that they won't be paid. So private citizens would have to compensate them: they have families to sustain. I'm pretty sure that money wouldn't be a problem. But it has to remain a private decision, nothing involving the states. By the way, OTAN is a defensive alliance. It doesn't forbid a member to decide to send troops on the Ukrainian front. The US won't and shouldn't. That's an European war. Having the US support (weapons, logistics, intelligence) is already a huge help. As a French citizen, I feel that our duty as a democracy is to officially sends troops to Ukraine. Putin needs to be stopped. I don't believe in a second of a nuclear escalation, escape on one matter: Crimea. It's an Ukrainian territory but Russians may go bersek if we retake it. But let's kick Putin out of Dombass and Transnistria. But, if reelected, Macron is far too concerned by French large investments in Russia ; and its far-right opponent, Le Pen, share many views with Putin (and has yet to reimburse 12 millions of euros lent by a Russian bank for her 2017 campaign).

sacrosancty 5y ago

How about a ramping up tarriff so there's no shock?

Shadonototra 5y ago
it doesn't matter what about USA stop importing oil from Russia? they increased their imports since the crisis https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202204/1257500.shtml https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202204/1257500.shtml