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What the heck really? I had the complete exact opposite experience. I actually do wish we are still on jira. it's slow. It's filters make no sense. It's entir

by pxue 4y ago

What the heck really? I had the complete exact opposite experience. I actually do wish we are still on jira. it's slow. It's filters make no sense. It's entire flow make no sense.

ironmagma 4y ago
Filters make no sense? You craft the filters, so if that makes no sense it’s because you didn’t craft the right thing. What flow? It’s a task management software, not a traffic system. I don’t want it manipulating the flow of anything. It provides swimlanes and that’s more than enough for me. I can move any task anywhere at any time which is exactly what I want out of a software — for it to get out of the way.
- deleted 4y ago
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- dmitriid 4y ago
  > You craft the filters, so if that makes no sense it’s because you didn’t craft the right thing. That's where you've lost nearly all the people. Who in their right mind crafts filters. What does this even mean?
  - justsomehnguy 4y ago
    "Filter artisans" I suppose. It is impossible to tell how many times I tried to filter out something in Jira only to have everything since before the times or absolutely nothing and needed to scratch that and go back to the defaults. Or hunt down the email with an exact link to the issue.
  - ironmagma 4y ago
    Anyone who uses a search engine, tries to find an email, or generally deals with large datasets.
    - dmitriid 4y ago
      No one "crafts" filters for the purposes of searching or finding an email. You use simple built in filters like "site:x" or "in: folder". There's no "crafting" or involved.
      - ironmagma 4y ago
        You type in the word “site:”. That is crafting.
        dmitriid 4y ago
        That's not "crafting". And, additionally, the vast majority of people will never use (or even know) about this "crafting".
        ironmagma 4y ago
        Craft: “to make or produce with care, skill, or ingenuity.” It means to make something carefully, the same thing done when crafting a search query. That’s the way I meant it anyway. There is nothing particularly difficult about searching in Shortcut. You combine a set of available filters to make a composed filter the same way you search anything. The difference is that in JIRA, there are about 5 different ways to search and the operators are not always obvious.
        dmitriid 4y ago
        What it looks like is you keep defending a shitty UX/UI by trying to justify it with inapplicable examples. > You combine a set of available filters to make a composed filter the same way you search anything This isn't even remotely similar to "anyone who uses a search engine, tries to find an email". Which brings us back to the original complaint, quote: "It's filters make no sense." If you "have to combine/craft filters to create a composite filter that you then use to search", you've failed. In exactly the same ways that Jira fails at this task.

by pxue 4y ago

What the heck really? I had the complete exact opposite experience. I actually do wish we are still on jira. it's slow. It's filters make no sense. It's entire flow make no sense.

ironmagma 4y ago

Filters make no sense? You craft the filters, so if that makes no sense it’s because you didn’t craft the right thing. What flow? It’s a task management software, not a traffic system. I don’t want it manipulating the flow of anything. It provides swimlanes and that’s more than enough for me. I can move any task anywhere at any time which is exactly what I want out of a software — for it to get out of the way.

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dmitriid 4y ago
> You craft the filters, so if that makes no sense it’s because you didn’t craft the right thing. That's where you've lost nearly all the people. Who in their right mind crafts filters. What does this even mean?
- justsomehnguy 4y ago
  "Filter artisans" I suppose. It is impossible to tell how many times I tried to filter out something in Jira only to have everything since before the times or absolutely nothing and needed to scratch that and go back to the defaults. Or hunt down the email with an exact link to the issue.
- ironmagma 4y ago
  Anyone who uses a search engine, tries to find an email, or generally deals with large datasets.
  - dmitriid 4y ago
    No one "crafts" filters for the purposes of searching or finding an email. You use simple built in filters like "site:x" or "in: folder". There's no "crafting" or involved.
    - ironmagma 4y ago
      You type in the word “site:”. That is crafting.
      - dmitriid 4y ago
        That's not "crafting". And, additionally, the vast majority of people will never use (or even know) about this "crafting".
        ironmagma 4y ago
        Craft: “to make or produce with care, skill, or ingenuity.” It means to make something carefully, the same thing done when crafting a search query. That’s the way I meant it anyway. There is nothing particularly difficult about searching in Shortcut. You combine a set of available filters to make a composed filter the same way you search anything. The difference is that in JIRA, there are about 5 different ways to search and the operators are not always obvious.
        dmitriid 4y ago
        What it looks like is you keep defending a shitty UX/UI by trying to justify it with inapplicable examples. > You combine a set of available filters to make a composed filter the same way you search anything This isn't even remotely similar to "anyone who uses a search engine, tries to find an email". Which brings us back to the original complaint, quote: "It's filters make no sense." If you "have to combine/craft filters to create a composite filter that you then use to search", you've failed. In exactly the same ways that Jira fails at this task.