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Okay - Emory also requires students to receive or be exempted from 6 other kinds of immunizations [0]. There is nothing unique or interesting about this, excep

by dmart 4y ago

Okay - Emory also requires students to receive or be exempted from 6 other kinds of immunizations [0]. There is nothing unique or interesting about this, except perhaps that they are being extra lenient and apparently only restricting Internet access instead of blocking course registration as described in their immunization policy. [0]: https://studenthealth.emory.edu/_includes/documents/policy-8-17.pdf https://studenthealth.emory.edu/_includes/documents/policy-8...

josephcsible 4y ago
The point is that even if being unvaccinated were really a health hazard, making the students use cellular data instead of Wi-Fi wouldn't do anything to mitigate said hazard, so it seems like they're doing this just to be mean.
- mhh__ 4y ago
  If they're the kind of student (like me) who is too lazy to go and get a jab then it would probably work pretty well. Is that not obvious?
  - spicybright 4y ago
    Absolutely agree. High speed internet is a luxury people want more than getting the vaccine. Phones barely work in your typical college dorm anyways, depending on building materials.
IdEntities 4y ago
Do those other required immunizations involve semi-annual boosters which have never gone through clinical trials to determine the safety of repeat dosing? Do they provide sterilizing immunity which durably and significantly reduces the odds that the recipient will be a carrier for the disease being inoculated against?
realreality 4y ago
For Chicken Pox, they will accept a positive anti-body test. If a student had Chicken Pox as a child, they'd be exempt. But if a student had COVID last semester, they still must receive a booster shot (against a strain of SARS-CoV2 that no longer exists). How does that make sense?
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- mlyle 4y ago
  > How does that make sense? Looks like the vaccine creates a broader set of antibody responses than natural infection does. If you want the population to be protected against the next wave of illness, this is the way to go. > (against a strain of SARS-CoV2 that no longer exists). That's the funny thing here. Getting boosted with B.1.1.7 doesn't just cause antibodies to develop towards B.1.1.7, but instead for your beta cells that make things against things-kinda-like-B.1.1.7 to mutate until they're creating all kinds of similar antibodies (preferentially drifting towards things that are B.1.1.7-like).
  - pdonis 4y ago
    > Looks like the vaccine creates a broader set of antibody responses than natural infection does. That was the theory, but it is not being borne out by the actual data. See below. > If you want the population to be protected against the next wave of illness, this is the way to go. The data coming out of the UK and Israel does not support this claim. Their populations are already vaccinated and boosted at percentages much higher than those in the US, but those vaccinated and boosted people are still getting infected and are still being hospitalized and dying in significant numbers.
    - notreallyserio 4y ago
      How significant are we talking here? How does their death rate compare with those that chose to or could not be vaccinated?
    - 4y ago
sva_ 4y ago
There are some of us, younger folks, who have been at a very low risk from the virus, who have initially been told that we should get vaccinated, to protect the old/weak/people at risk. So we did our part on that. Then, Omicron hit, and we got Covid anyways, and we had little to no symptoms (as expected for us, with or without vaccine), but we were still infectious of course. So the initial objective of protecting other people didn't really pan out, since we could still transmit the virus, probably to a very similar extend to if we had not gotten vaccinated at all. Now people demand from us that we got the booster shot - for no rational reason: It doesn't help us, since we're not at risk personally. It doesn't help others, since we'll still be infectious. By getting fully vaccinated and having had the infection, we even have more protection than those who have not been infected.[0] So some people grow suspicious to the shenanigans of politicians and pharma companies. This doesn't mean that we don't believe the vaccine works - it undoubtedly does (for those who are at risk). But there are other factors at play, and it very much seems weird, in what ways we're being indoctrinated to "trust the science" (most stupid phrase of the century by the way - science isn't about trust, but about verification.) In the end it just very much seems like this is mostly about some business and political people lining their pockets with our money, and that causes us to reject their BS, because they've continuously been moving the goalposts in trying to manipulate us to consume their products. I'm not trying to pitch a narrative here, I'm just talking about how people in their 20s have experienced this, and how we've been feeling about this - at least those in my social circle. [0] https://nitter.net/jo_kuehn/status/1479928423783018506#m https://nitter.net/jo_kuehn/status/1479928423783018506#m
- version_five 4y ago
  I agree with your assessment. The problem is it became basically a religious thing on the meantime, and as you say so politicized that people have had a hard time walking back their stances, and institutions have realized all the power they can wield. I'm hoping that now that "the science" actually shows that most covid measures and restriction are frivolous, we will slowly get the religious stuff out of our systems and start getting back to normal, as has already happened in many jurisdictions
peteradio 4y ago
I'm curious how you come to the opinion that there is nothing unique or interesting about this. How many brand new vaccine boosters were required in the intervening years while you were in college during a pandemic? Seems damned unique to me for anyone living today.

by dmart 4y ago

josephcsible 4y ago

The point is that even if being unvaccinated were really a health hazard, making the students use cellular data instead of Wi-Fi wouldn't do anything to mitigate said hazard, so it seems like they're doing this just to be mean.

mhh__ 4y ago
If they're the kind of student (like me) who is too lazy to go and get a jab then it would probably work pretty well. Is that not obvious?
- spicybright 4y ago
  Absolutely agree. High speed internet is a luxury people want more than getting the vaccine. Phones barely work in your typical college dorm anyways, depending on building materials.

IdEntities 4y ago

Do those other required immunizations involve semi-annual boosters which have never gone through clinical trials to determine the safety of repeat dosing? Do they provide sterilizing immunity which durably and significantly reduces the odds that the recipient will be a carrier for the disease being inoculated against?

realreality 4y ago

For Chicken Pox, they will accept a positive anti-body test. If a student had Chicken Pox as a child, they'd be exempt. But if a student had COVID last semester, they still must receive a booster shot (against a strain of SARS-CoV2 that no longer exists). How does that make sense?

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mlyle 4y ago
> How does that make sense? Looks like the vaccine creates a broader set of antibody responses than natural infection does. If you want the population to be protected against the next wave of illness, this is the way to go. > (against a strain of SARS-CoV2 that no longer exists). That's the funny thing here. Getting boosted with B.1.1.7 doesn't just cause antibodies to develop towards B.1.1.7, but instead for your beta cells that make things against things-kinda-like-B.1.1.7 to mutate until they're creating all kinds of similar antibodies (preferentially drifting towards things that are B.1.1.7-like).
- pdonis 4y ago
  > Looks like the vaccine creates a broader set of antibody responses than natural infection does. That was the theory, but it is not being borne out by the actual data. See below. > If you want the population to be protected against the next wave of illness, this is the way to go. The data coming out of the UK and Israel does not support this claim. Their populations are already vaccinated and boosted at percentages much higher than those in the US, but those vaccinated and boosted people are still getting infected and are still being hospitalized and dying in significant numbers.
  - notreallyserio 4y ago
    How significant are we talking here? How does their death rate compare with those that chose to or could not be vaccinated?
  - 4y ago

sva_ 4y ago

There are some of us, younger folks, who have been at a very low risk from the virus, who have initially been told that we should get vaccinated, to protect the old/weak/people at risk. So we did our part on that. Then, Omicron hit, and we got Covid anyways, and we had little to no symptoms (as expected for us, with or without vaccine), but we were still infectious of course. So the initial objective of protecting other people didn't really pan out, since we could still transmit the virus, probably to a very similar extend to if we had not gotten vaccinated at all. Now people demand from us that we got the booster shot - for no rational reason: It doesn't help us, since we're not at risk personally. It doesn't help others, since we'll still be infectious. By getting fully vaccinated and having had the infection, we even have more protection than those who have not been infected.[0] So some people grow suspicious to the shenanigans of politicians and pharma companies. This doesn't mean that we don't believe the vaccine works - it undoubtedly does (for those who are at risk). But there are other factors at play, and it very much seems weird, in what ways we're being indoctrinated to "trust the science" (most stupid phrase of the century by the way - science isn't about trust, but about verification.) In the end it just very much seems like this is mostly about some business and political people lining their pockets with our money, and that causes us to reject their BS, because they've continuously been moving the goalposts in trying to manipulate us to consume their products. I'm not trying to pitch a narrative here, I'm just talking about how people in their 20s have experienced this, and how we've been feeling about this - at least those in my social circle. [0] https://nitter.net/jo_kuehn/status/1479928423783018506#m https://nitter.net/jo_kuehn/status/1479928423783018506#m

version_five 4y ago
I agree with your assessment. The problem is it became basically a religious thing on the meantime, and as you say so politicized that people have had a hard time walking back their stances, and institutions have realized all the power they can wield. I'm hoping that now that "the science" actually shows that most covid measures and restriction are frivolous, we will slowly get the religious stuff out of our systems and start getting back to normal, as has already happened in many jurisdictions

peteradio 4y ago

I'm curious how you come to the opinion that there is nothing unique or interesting about this. How many brand new vaccine boosters were required in the intervening years while you were in college during a pandemic? Seems damned unique to me for anyone living today.