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I found this story absurd enough ($5k/hr?!) that I looked into it more and think the full story should be told: - Her hourly rate is closer to $400/hr. The Ber

by Sape2012 5y ago

I found this story absurd enough ($5k/hr?!) that I looked into it more and think the full story should be told: - Her hourly rate is closer to $400/hr. The Berkeley guy said it was $5k/hr because he just took the total pay and divided by hours spent on one thing. But she spent hours on some other things too that he didn't included in the denominator. - He originally tweeted her address and other harassing things, which is against Twitter's rules. That tweet was reported and taken down. - Stanford has threat prevention staff that alerted her to his tweets and also alerted the authorities, as is apparently their policy when people are tweeting harassing stuff about their faculty. She never personally reported him to the police. I wouldn't fault her if she did though. - It's clearly not racially motivated. - Despite all that, she tweeted an apology to appease the mob. - Finally, I don't like either of them. He is a harassing doofus who is trying to make her seem racist. She is trying to dumb down math for California students in the name of equity. He's worse but I don't really like her either.

berberous 5y ago
Regarding her hourly rate, here is the public document, which clearly states she is charging $5k per hour: https://twitter.com/cheesemonkeysf/status/1508923491180896263?s=21&t=a9QVtU412GyyywUUMKpDmw https://twitter.com/cheesemonkeysf/status/150892349118089626... Now perhaps that is a misleadingly drafted document, or the full agreement provided a variety of free services as well, but on its face, it seems reasonable to assume she is charging $5k per hour since that is how she is phrasing it in contracts she is signing.
caboteria 5y ago
Not sure where you're getting $400/hour since you didn't provide any evidence but the contact is quite clear that the rate is $5000/hour: > Provide four (4) two-hour sessions at the rate of $5,000.00 per hour for a total of $40,000 https://twitter.com/minilek/status/1509678967472549889 https://twitter.com/minilek/status/1509678967472549889
- anotaiw2 5y ago
  I saw the $400/hr in some article that I can't find now but this one from the SF Chronicle explains how the total work involved is more than just four two-hour sessions: https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/California-math-wars-get-ugly-Accusations-of-17060072.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/California-math-... "The Oxnard district training or others like it don’t include only the time in front of teachers or at the district, but also about 18 hours of preparation, Boaler said, which isn’t specified in the contract. The deal also means significant travel time." It's not uncommon for consulting to work that way where you pay $X for a report and a couple hours of presentation but theres a bunch of behind the scenes work you're implicitly paying for too. So her effective rate was probably a little over $1k/hr. Doesn't seem that unreasonable for a Stanford prof.
- rahimnathwani 5y ago
  Boaler claimed she needs 11 hours for each session-hour. If you believe that (e.g. if you think the sessions are heavily customized for each school district, and not just the same thing at each place), then you'd divide the 5k by 11+1, getting $417/hour.
jonnybgood 5y ago
> He originally tweeted her address and other harassing things, which is against Twitter's rules. That tweet was reported and taken down. How hard did you actually look? It wasn’t him. Article: “The person who put out the initial tweet — a high school teacher in San Francisco — had shared Boaler’s home address in a separate post, but later deleted it and apologized. Nelson said he did not post her home address on his Twitter account”
snapetom 5y ago
Why are you guys arguing about $400/hr vs $5k/hr? If someone is willing to pay her $5k/hr, all the more power to her.
- josephcsible 5y ago
  Because "someone" is a public school district, i.e., the government paying her that exorbitant rate with our hard-earned tax dollars.
  - snapetom 5y ago
    That's a problem between the voters and the school board, not her.
    - heyda 5y ago
      Ya, someone should write an article about it to inform voters so that they can make informed decisions or complain to relevant officials.
    - rosndo 5y ago
      And she seems to have a big problem with this Berkeley professor trying to inform the voters about it.
DaveExeter 5y ago
>He originally tweeted her address and other harassing things Now you are just lying. He tweeted the page of the PDF that showed her payment $40,000 for 4 2-hour sessions. Someone else tweeted the next page of the PDF, where she puts her address for the check. Page 377 of https://t.co/w0RapmD5bG https://t.co/w0RapmD5bG
ykevinator2 5y ago
$400/hour of public money is pretty corrupt.
rahimnathwani 5y ago
"He originally tweeted her address and other harassing things" This is untrue.
yumraj 5y ago
ctvo 5y ago
Please don't investigate anything else. Everything you posted is wrong. > Her hourly rate is closer to $400/hr. The Berkeley guy said it was $5k/hr because he just took the total pay and divided by hours spent on one thing. But she spent hours on some other things too that he didn't included in the denominator. Her official hourly rate is 5,000 USD an hour. She claims she does ~10 hours of preparation for that single hour so she's really only charging ~400 USD an hour. You can believe her or not, up to you. The claim that she's charging 5,000 USD an hour is not incorrect and is there in her contract. > He originally tweeted her address and other harassing things, which is against Twitter's rules. That tweet was reported and taken down. He did not tweet out her address. The person he retweeted had a separate tweet where they shared her address, and that was deleted by that person. The rest of your bullet points are based off of her clarification letter. The email Nelson shared very much includes a threat of police and lawyers.

berberous 5y ago

Regarding her hourly rate, here is the public document, which clearly states she is charging $5k per hour: https://twitter.com/cheesemonkeysf/status/1508923491180896263?s=21&t=a9QVtU412GyyywUUMKpDmw https://twitter.com/cheesemonkeysf/status/150892349118089626... Now perhaps that is a misleadingly drafted document, or the full agreement provided a variety of free services as well, but on its face, it seems reasonable to assume she is charging $5k per hour since that is how she is phrasing it in contracts she is signing.

caboteria 5y ago

Not sure where you're getting $400/hour since you didn't provide any evidence but the contact is quite clear that the rate is $5000/hour: > Provide four (4) two-hour sessions at the rate of $5,000.00 per hour for a total of $40,000 https://twitter.com/minilek/status/1509678967472549889 https://twitter.com/minilek/status/1509678967472549889

anotaiw2 5y ago
I saw the $400/hr in some article that I can't find now but this one from the SF Chronicle explains how the total work involved is more than just four two-hour sessions: https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/California-math-wars-get-ugly-Accusations-of-17060072.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/California-math-... "The Oxnard district training or others like it don’t include only the time in front of teachers or at the district, but also about 18 hours of preparation, Boaler said, which isn’t specified in the contract. The deal also means significant travel time." It's not uncommon for consulting to work that way where you pay $X for a report and a couple hours of presentation but theres a bunch of behind the scenes work you're implicitly paying for too. So her effective rate was probably a little over $1k/hr. Doesn't seem that unreasonable for a Stanford prof.
rahimnathwani 5y ago
Boaler claimed she needs 11 hours for each session-hour. If you believe that (e.g. if you think the sessions are heavily customized for each school district, and not just the same thing at each place), then you'd divide the 5k by 11+1, getting $417/hour.

jonnybgood 5y ago

> He originally tweeted her address and other harassing things, which is against Twitter's rules. That tweet was reported and taken down. How hard did you actually look? It wasn’t him. Article: “The person who put out the initial tweet — a high school teacher in San Francisco — had shared Boaler’s home address in a separate post, but later deleted it and apologized. Nelson said he did not post her home address on his Twitter account”

snapetom 5y ago

Why are you guys arguing about $400/hr vs $5k/hr? If someone is willing to pay her $5k/hr, all the more power to her.

josephcsible 5y ago
Because "someone" is a public school district, i.e., the government paying her that exorbitant rate with our hard-earned tax dollars.
- snapetom 5y ago
  That's a problem between the voters and the school board, not her.
  - heyda 5y ago
    Ya, someone should write an article about it to inform voters so that they can make informed decisions or complain to relevant officials.
  - rosndo 5y ago
    And she seems to have a big problem with this Berkeley professor trying to inform the voters about it.

DaveExeter 5y ago

>He originally tweeted her address and other harassing things Now you are just lying. He tweeted the page of the PDF that showed her payment $40,000 for 4 2-hour sessions. Someone else tweeted the next page of the PDF, where she puts her address for the check. Page 377 of https://t.co/w0RapmD5bG https://t.co/w0RapmD5bG

ykevinator2 5y ago

$400/hour of public money is pretty corrupt.

rahimnathwani 5y ago

"He originally tweeted her address and other harassing things" This is untrue.

yumraj 5y ago

ctvo 5y ago

Please don't investigate anything else. Everything you posted is wrong. > Her hourly rate is closer to $400/hr. The Berkeley guy said it was $5k/hr because he just took the total pay and divided by hours spent on one thing. But she spent hours on some other things too that he didn't included in the denominator. Her official hourly rate is 5,000 USD an hour. She claims she does ~10 hours of preparation for that single hour so she's really only charging ~400 USD an hour. You can believe her or not, up to you. The claim that she's charging 5,000 USD an hour is not incorrect and is there in her contract. > He originally tweeted her address and other harassing things, which is against Twitter's rules. That tweet was reported and taken down. He did not tweet out her address. The person he retweeted had a separate tweet where they shared her address, and that was deleted by that person. The rest of your bullet points are based off of her clarification letter. The email Nelson shared very much includes a threat of police and lawyers.