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>Replacing kerb-side parking with bus or bike lanes does not hurt local businesses, and in some cases, it can increase patronage. Bikes and buses don’t kill bus
by PopAlongKid 5y ago
>Replacing kerb-side parking with bus or bike lanes does not hurt local businesses, and in some cases, it can increase patronage. Bikes and buses don’t kill businesses - parking does.
Where is the evidence to support the claim that parking "kills" businesses -- I read the article and don't see any.
What about businesses whose products are too big/heavy to carry on foot or even on a bus? Where are all the pedestrians carrying 24-can cases of beverages? 40-pound bags of dog food?
- coolspot 5y agoThe article is probably sponsored by some real eastate developer group who wants all those pesky parking requirements gone, so they can build 1k unit buildings with very few parking spaces allocated.
- rtlfe 5y agoA developer would only build a parking-free building if there are people in the area who want to live without cars. Otherwise it would be a financial disaster for them.
- thepangolino 5y agoHence why the push for car free cities.
- deepsun 5y agoNot true. Kyiv, Ukraine keeps building skyscrapers with almost 0 parking in it (althoug there are dedicated parking buildings within about 10-15 minute walk, not as convenient). And everyone hates it that way. People keep complaining. Developers keep building. As one developer told me -- that simply financially makes more sense for them to build an apartment instead of parking. Why should they solve other people's business? At first I was outraged, but now I kinda see a long term benefits of that, even thought it's harder for me to own a car. Hopefully that'd lead to improvement of public transportation or invention of new ways to move.
- rtlfe 5y agoSounds like there's no other choice in Kyiv. In any US city there are hundreds of buildings with parking that people could choose to live in if that's what they want.
- mantas 5y agoNot sure about Kyiv, but here in Vilnius the elephant in the room is parking enforcement. Illegal parking under no-parking signs, blocking sidestreets by leaving minimal space to pass, on the grass, in basketball courts, playgrounds... Municipality doesn't give a fuck. People don't buy parking spots since hey, free parking out in the street! And developers build little parking since nobody buys. But everybody still drives and surroundings are a mess.
- coolspot 5y agoSame thing in Moscow, Russia. 25-story apartment buildings with little to no parking. People live like ants.
- beebeepka 5y agoThat could be a blessing in disguise if it leads to less cars.
- hrrsn 5y agoMany Aucklanders would be very happy if developers built thousands of units without parking.
- zzzeek 5y agoI've lived extensively in most population densities available in the US. When you are in a very dense environment like Manhattan, people simply don't buy quantities that large from local stores, and the vast majority of apartments don't have the storage space to accommodate for the giant sized quantities that suburbanites buy at Costco every day. The end result is that living in Manhattan, Brooklyn, western Queens etc., you're basically walking every day down to local stores and lugging relatively small bags back. People in the city tend to be pretty trim and fit as a result. I currently live in a rural-density zoned part of the US, and the car is basically the only access one has to virtually anything. Businesses here can pretty confidently state that close to 100% of their customer base arrives by car.
- cortesoft 5y agoYou save a lot of money buying those larger quantities.
- pm90 5y agoYou save a lot of money by not owning cars.
- josephcsible 5y agoOnly if you don't value your time. Either you're paying even more for taxis and rideshares than you would to own your car, or you're spending an hour on trips that would take 10 minutes by car.
- rowanajmarshall 5y agoI think it's actually faster to get to central London from me on the tube than by car, not even counting looking for parking. And hell, on the tube I can read, listen to a podcast, code, or even call family. Can't do most of that in a car.
- lr4444lr 5y agoYeah, but you can't easily store it in high density areas where square footage is expensive. Personally, I think this is a significant negative for city living, and a reason why I prefer the suburbs.
- deepsun 5y agoLiving in European town -- no one wants to buy huge quantities in the first place -- gotta store them somewhere and make sure they're not spoiled yet, why bother if there's always a shop downstairs that does pretty much that. Just buy what you need for tonight (or for a week if you're a hoarder).
- drstewart 5y agoExactly - the odds that a black swan event causes massive supply chain disruptions so you can't buy groceries is slim, so there's no need to worry about having emergency supplies. It's foolproof.
- deepsun 5y agoIt looked to me that some of the COVID-19-related supply chain disruptions actually resulted from hoarder-type public that went to replenish their own emergency supplies all at the same time.
- rootusrootus 5y agoIndeed, GP's comment made me chuckle, it hasn't been long enough since the start of the pandemic to take "a week if you are a hoarder" comments seriously.
- wasmitnetzen 5y agoI just use my car sharing access once every four months to buy non-perishables. No big deal.
- gomox 5y agoOnly in suburban America are those sizes conceivable.
- rootusrootus 5y agoYep, it is one of the many upsides of living in suburban America.