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Russia War Crimes

76 points by denysvitali 5y ago

sschueller 5y ago
"This is the official website of Ukraine. The information is verified by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine" "All proceeds received go directly to supporting the front-line defence of Ukraine." I am not going to dispute any of the war crimes committed or currently being committed by Russia however I would be very careful to take every word here as a fact when Ukraine for obvious reasons is also running an information warfare. War crimes will be investigated by the ICC and the facts will then be determined. This website is a fund raiser for the Ukraine military. If you reside in a country like Switzerland you are not permitted to donate to such causes. Give your money to the IRC or another humanitarian charity.
- krzyk 5y ago
  The web page lists multiple ways of helping, either funding their military, or humanitarian help, or e.g. hosting refugees.
- MrBuddyCasino 5y ago
  I have never seen this level of information warfare in my life. Both sides are pushing transparent lies and disinformation, eagerly amplified by social media accounts and big newspapers alike. I will never trust any history book ever again.
  - trinovantes 5y ago
    > I will never trust any history book ever again. Congrats, propaganda has accomplished its primary objective. Convincing the population is a secondary objective. Its true goal is simply making the populace apathetic so that the regime can carry on with whatever it wants.
    - yks 5y ago
      When people say they will never trust official/conventional sources again, usually that's a code phrase that signals them trusting egregiously untrustworthy sources. It's a generalization of course but unfortunately works like a clock.
  - Sporktacular 5y ago
    Never? Any history book? Do you mean not trusting every single aspect of a book? Or do you mean trust without validating it? Otherwise I don't understand how could anyone ever learn about history that way.
    - samhyde69 5y ago
  - throw_m239339 5y ago
    > I have never seen this level of information warfare in my life. Both sides are pushing transparent lies and disinformation, eagerly amplified by social media accounts and big newspapers alike. I will never trust any history book ever again. Well, lucky you, you can go to Ukraine to check whether corpses of children and women massacred by Russian armies in this war of aggression are real. you don't have to trust a book.
    - samhyde69 5y ago
  - nikolay 5y ago
    Considering how much a single Javelin costs, for example, infowarfare is so much cheaper!
    - artem247 5y ago
  - timeon 5y ago
    Russian regime claimed that it was only doing exercises near borders with Ukraine and not going to attack Ukraine. Just few days before invasion they claimed that they are withdrawing troops. And then they attacked. So you are saying that lies by Putin's regime, which lied from day one are the same as some moral boost bullshit of the country that is attacked by much bigger country? Relativize and conquer.
  - unmole 5y ago
    Where are you able to see Russian propaganda? I thought all effective channels were blocked?
- yks 5y ago
  Please do not donate to Red Cross! They spend money on bureaucracy and photo ops of their leadership with Russian officials and are all around ineffective, e.g. bringing a truck full of water to a well functioning and protected Ukrainian city located on the biggest river in Ukraine. If you cannot or would not donate to the military, consider donating to the numerous effective Ukrainian humanitarian aid organizations, one example: Nova Ukraine [1] [1] https://novaukraine.org/ https://novaukraine.org/
- ShivShankaran 5y ago
  I am curious to see if there is neutral third party that can document all the accusations and print out the results. I have zero trust in Russia and Putin gangsters but so far Ukraine has far exceeded to crying out wolf. Two unresolved cases that I am looking for neutral information: The maternity hospital bombing: The woman being photographed said in an video interview that the ukraine army had pushed everyone out and occupied the building. The railway station bombing: Russia initially said they bombed the ukranian army at the station and quickly deleted the the tweet. The missile that's shown at the location is however a tochka 2 missile and even the serial number is supposed to be Ukranian. who is right and is there an independent inquiry into it? Pretty sure Russia fucked up here but do we have conclusive answer on who the missile belongs to? especially since Russia neither uses tochka 2 nor has any army within the range of the tochka 2 missile. Also is Biden hyper because of his son's investments all over Ukraine? It was proven to be true and he does have millions in investments. wouldn't the be conflict of interest and why Biden is hell bent on saving Ukraine?
  - mike_k 5y ago
    On the Kramatorsk train station attack. No, Russia had Tochka U officially in use (and of course we're also able to bring them up from storage, as it does with other old equipment now). Can you show the source for the serial number? https://t.me/CITeam/2463 https://t.me/CITeam/2463 I am linking a report by an inependent Russian citizens driven "Conflict Intelligence Team". This way it may look more credible or less biased in your eyes. All in all, Russia can't deny these cerimes but makes everything to leave you uncertain and confused. Eventually you stop treating any version or investigate seriously. It seems this strategy works (
    - ShivShankaran 5y ago
      Fair enough. The report by the independent team makes compelling sense on why Russia fucked up and I am convinced that it is indeed Russia that miscalculated and blew up a civilian railway station.
  - artem247 5y ago
cersa8 5y ago
As someone from Western Europe I've always considered myself lucky to be living in a kind of golden age of technology, prosperity and peace. The last months I realise this time may well come to an end.
- ShivShankaran 5y ago
  This is just exaggeration. Russia is dead. There is nothing left of that country and Putin has managed to destroy an economic and scientific super power in weeks.
nathanaldensr 5y ago
t0bia_s 5y ago
Do we have similar sites like this for war in Syria, Ethiopia, Israel or Palestine? Serious question.
- kingofpandora 5y ago
  Government websites that promote their version of events? Yes, every government on every side of every conflict does this.

76 points by denysvitali 5y ago

"This is the official website of Ukraine. The information is verified by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine" "All proceeds received go directly to supporting the front-line defence of Ukraine." I am not going to dispute any of the war crimes committed or currently being committed by Russia however I would be very careful to take every word here as a fact when Ukraine for obvious reasons is also running an information warfare. War crimes will be investigated by the ICC and the facts will then be determined. This website is a fund raiser for the Ukraine military. If you reside in a country like Switzerland you are not permitted to donate to such causes. Give your money to the IRC or another humanitarian charity.

krzyk 5y ago
The web page lists multiple ways of helping, either funding their military, or humanitarian help, or e.g. hosting refugees.
MrBuddyCasino 5y ago
I have never seen this level of information warfare in my life. Both sides are pushing transparent lies and disinformation, eagerly amplified by social media accounts and big newspapers alike. I will never trust any history book ever again.
- trinovantes 5y ago
  > I will never trust any history book ever again. Congrats, propaganda has accomplished its primary objective. Convincing the population is a secondary objective. Its true goal is simply making the populace apathetic so that the regime can carry on with whatever it wants.
  - yks 5y ago
    When people say they will never trust official/conventional sources again, usually that's a code phrase that signals them trusting egregiously untrustworthy sources. It's a generalization of course but unfortunately works like a clock.
- Sporktacular 5y ago
  Never? Any history book? Do you mean not trusting every single aspect of a book? Or do you mean trust without validating it? Otherwise I don't understand how could anyone ever learn about history that way.
  - samhyde69 5y ago
- throw_m239339 5y ago
  > I have never seen this level of information warfare in my life. Both sides are pushing transparent lies and disinformation, eagerly amplified by social media accounts and big newspapers alike. I will never trust any history book ever again. Well, lucky you, you can go to Ukraine to check whether corpses of children and women massacred by Russian armies in this war of aggression are real. you don't have to trust a book.
  - samhyde69 5y ago
- nikolay 5y ago
  Considering how much a single Javelin costs, for example, infowarfare is so much cheaper!
  - artem247 5y ago
- timeon 5y ago
  Russian regime claimed that it was only doing exercises near borders with Ukraine and not going to attack Ukraine. Just few days before invasion they claimed that they are withdrawing troops. And then they attacked. So you are saying that lies by Putin's regime, which lied from day one are the same as some moral boost bullshit of the country that is attacked by much bigger country? Relativize and conquer.
- unmole 5y ago
  Where are you able to see Russian propaganda? I thought all effective channels were blocked?
yks 5y ago
Please do not donate to Red Cross! They spend money on bureaucracy and photo ops of their leadership with Russian officials and are all around ineffective, e.g. bringing a truck full of water to a well functioning and protected Ukrainian city located on the biggest river in Ukraine. If you cannot or would not donate to the military, consider donating to the numerous effective Ukrainian humanitarian aid organizations, one example: Nova Ukraine [1] [1] https://novaukraine.org/ https://novaukraine.org/
ShivShankaran 5y ago
I am curious to see if there is neutral third party that can document all the accusations and print out the results. I have zero trust in Russia and Putin gangsters but so far Ukraine has far exceeded to crying out wolf. Two unresolved cases that I am looking for neutral information: The maternity hospital bombing: The woman being photographed said in an video interview that the ukraine army had pushed everyone out and occupied the building. The railway station bombing: Russia initially said they bombed the ukranian army at the station and quickly deleted the the tweet. The missile that's shown at the location is however a tochka 2 missile and even the serial number is supposed to be Ukranian. who is right and is there an independent inquiry into it? Pretty sure Russia fucked up here but do we have conclusive answer on who the missile belongs to? especially since Russia neither uses tochka 2 nor has any army within the range of the tochka 2 missile. Also is Biden hyper because of his son's investments all over Ukraine? It was proven to be true and he does have millions in investments. wouldn't the be conflict of interest and why Biden is hell bent on saving Ukraine?
- mike_k 5y ago
  On the Kramatorsk train station attack. No, Russia had Tochka U officially in use (and of course we're also able to bring them up from storage, as it does with other old equipment now). Can you show the source for the serial number? https://t.me/CITeam/2463 https://t.me/CITeam/2463 I am linking a report by an inependent Russian citizens driven "Conflict Intelligence Team". This way it may look more credible or less biased in your eyes. All in all, Russia can't deny these cerimes but makes everything to leave you uncertain and confused. Eventually you stop treating any version or investigate seriously. It seems this strategy works (
  - ShivShankaran 5y ago
    Fair enough. The report by the independent team makes compelling sense on why Russia fucked up and I am convinced that it is indeed Russia that miscalculated and blew up a civilian railway station.
- artem247 5y ago

cersa8 5y ago

As someone from Western Europe I've always considered myself lucky to be living in a kind of golden age of technology, prosperity and peace. The last months I realise this time may well come to an end.

ShivShankaran 5y ago
This is just exaggeration. Russia is dead. There is nothing left of that country and Putin has managed to destroy an economic and scientific super power in weeks.

nathanaldensr 5y ago

t0bia_s 5y ago

Do we have similar sites like this for war in Syria, Ethiopia, Israel or Palestine? Serious question.

kingofpandora 5y ago
Government websites that promote their version of events? Yes, every government on every side of every conflict does this.