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The primary alternative to achieving this is through formation of unions. But, I’d wager there is an overlap between people who are against enforcement via legi
by Cyph0n 5y ago
The primary alternative to achieving this is through formation of unions. But, I’d wager there is an overlap between people who are against enforcement via legislation and people who are anti-union.
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- thomascgalvin 5y agoWe've also seen significant anti-union legislation in recent decades; at the very least this would need to be undone in order to give workers a fair shot.
- josephcsible 5y agoBy "people who are anti-union", do you mean "people who believe unions shouldn't be allowed to exist", or "people who believe unions shouldn't be allowed to force workers to join as a condition of having the job"?
- ZeroGravitas 5y agoHey, if they don't like it, they can get a job somewhere else, no need for authoritarian governments preventing people freely entering contracts with groups with much more power than they do individually.... wait, this reminds me of something?
- josephcsible 5y agoUnions having the power to force employees to join is what's authoritarian. If I want to work for a company, and the company wants to hire me, we should be free to enter into a contract. A third party shouldn't have the power to say "you can't unless you pay us dues". And before you say "well not if the company and union entered into a contract that said the company would only hire union workers", that's not how it works today. The laws we have today give unions the power to unilaterally say that without the company agreeing, and this is what's bad and needs to go away.
- ZeroGravitas 5y agoDidn't California stop companies from preventing their ex-employees from working for competitors? Sounds like they're doing exactly what you want. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-compete_clause#California https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-compete_clause#California
- josephcsible 5y agoWhat does that have to do with unions?
- ZeroGravitas 5y ago> If I want to work for a company, and the company wants to hire me, we should be free to enter into a contract. A third party shouldn't have the power to say "you can't unless you pay us dues". Seems like you only want to prevent unions from doing this, but not employers. You also want to prevent them entering into contracts with employers. It's not really a consistent argument is it?
- josephcsible 5y agoI'm okay if a union gets someone else to voluntarily agree to a contract that requires employee membership. I'm not okay with a union unilaterally forcing this without agreement.
- ZeroGravitas 5y agoIsn't it the authoratarian government that's enforcing these laws? Why are you blaming the poor unions, they're only doing what they legally have to do to maximise the returns for their shareholders.
- josephcsible 5y agoI'm not blaming the unions for doing that. I am blaming the government for giving the unions the power to do that.