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Yes, I mean we should also have a 32 hour work week but the laws surrounding it need teeth for sure. We should hold executives/managers criminally liable with t

Yes, I mean we should also have a 32 hour work week but the laws surrounding it need teeth for sure. We should hold executives/managers criminally liable with the potential for jail time for repeat offenses. It's absolutely fucking absurd that shoplifting, especially when performed by disadvantaged folks carries harsher penalties than systematic wage theft. It's upside down clown world out there, abusing your position of power is FAR worse than stealing to eat or even fund a drug habit.

pc86 5y ago
Are you saying the punishment for shoplifting should be less if you're disadvantaged compared to if you're not?
- thot_experiment 5y ago
  No, I'm saying the reality is that the punishment often IS harsher if you're from a disadvantaged group. I think the punishments should be harsher for wage theft than shoplifting because the former is abusing a position of power, which I believe to be more corrosive to the fabric of society. Though I also believe punishments should be proportional to your means, see for example speeding tickets in Finland. You shouldn't be able to afford to ignore the rules.
  - lores 5y ago
    Not to mention that stealing $100 from 100 workers is objectively a worse crime than stealing $100 from a shop owner, and yet the former is not even punished. Talk about regulatory capture, eh?
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- mschuster91 5y ago
  For what it's worth, that was the legal situation in Germany until 1975 [1]. A shame in my opinion that even small-scale theft under extraordinary circumstances got handled as a full blown crime since then. [1] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mundraub https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mundraub
- jslaby 5y ago
  Yes
- ALittleLight 5y ago
  In the current regime it seems like crimes are punished less if you are advantaged. The current system seems like a worse arrangement to me because it adds disadvantage to disadvantage.
- aaomidi 5y ago
  Actually, yes. Punishment doesn't fix the need to shoplift. Maybe if we stop trying to solve everything with cops we'd actually make some social progress?
syshum 5y ago
I did not think shoplifting was punished at all in California.
Animats 5y ago
An interesting thing about white collar crime - jail time is a real deterrent. It doesn't take that much jail time.[1] Routinely sending managers to jail for 30 days for time-shaving would stop that practice rapidly. [1] https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/insights/how-stop-white-collar-crime https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/insights/how-stop-white-collar-...

pc86 5y ago

Are you saying the punishment for shoplifting should be less if you're disadvantaged compared to if you're not?

thot_experiment 5y ago
No, I'm saying the reality is that the punishment often IS harsher if you're from a disadvantaged group. I think the punishments should be harsher for wage theft than shoplifting because the former is abusing a position of power, which I believe to be more corrosive to the fabric of society. Though I also believe punishments should be proportional to your means, see for example speeding tickets in Finland. You shouldn't be able to afford to ignore the rules.
- lores 5y ago
  Not to mention that stealing $100 from 100 workers is objectively a worse crime than stealing $100 from a shop owner, and yet the former is not even punished. Talk about regulatory capture, eh?
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mschuster91 5y ago
For what it's worth, that was the legal situation in Germany until 1975 [1]. A shame in my opinion that even small-scale theft under extraordinary circumstances got handled as a full blown crime since then. [1] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mundraub https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mundraub
jslaby 5y ago
Yes
ALittleLight 5y ago
In the current regime it seems like crimes are punished less if you are advantaged. The current system seems like a worse arrangement to me because it adds disadvantage to disadvantage.
aaomidi 5y ago
Actually, yes. Punishment doesn't fix the need to shoplift. Maybe if we stop trying to solve everything with cops we'd actually make some social progress?

syshum 5y ago

I did not think shoplifting was punished at all in California.

Animats 5y ago

An interesting thing about white collar crime - jail time is a real deterrent. It doesn't take that much jail time.[1] Routinely sending managers to jail for 30 days for time-shaving would stop that practice rapidly. [1] https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/insights/how-stop-white-collar-crime https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/insights/how-stop-white-collar-...