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The pandemic allowed remote work to flourish. Why are people still crowding the cities? And of all the places, specially Berlin. Not even that great of a city.

The pandemic allowed remote work to flourish. Why are people still crowding the cities? And of all the places, specially Berlin. Not even that great of a city. A lot of my friends fled the city.

closeparen 5y ago
Any place I can’t walk on well-traveled sidewalks to a coffee shop, restaurant, grocery store, etc. is a place not fit for human habitation.
- jfk13 5y ago
  I wonder how humans survived for the first, oh, 99% or so of the time we've been on earth?
  - tayo42 5y ago
    We've been driving to costco since neanderthals walked the earth
  - not2b 5y ago
    For all that time, people had to walk to wherever they needed to get to, so yes, they had to pick places where what they needed was close by.
  - megous 5y ago
    Barely. The humans certainly would not survive in the current numbers/concentrations, without all the civilization around them.
  - closeparen 5y ago
    Prior to the automobile era, we were all pedestrians. A small town was a town you could walk the length of. Europe is dotted with old villages denser than contemporary North American cities.
    - ghaff 5y ago
      While true, I suspect most of the people who are looking for walkability want something more than a small town with a pub, a small market, and maybe a couple other stores/cafes/etc. I've stayed in many of those small towns and they can be very pleasant--but there's not a whole lot within easy walking distance.
      - asoneth 5y ago
        My partner and I were looking for a walkable urban neighborhood but ultimately ended up in a small town with a pub, market, cafe, store... and a train to the big city. Couldn't be happier, but I wouldn't recommend it to someone who is single.
        ghaff 5y ago
        Depending upon circumstances, there's certainly something to be said for spending money/effort to go into a city now and then rather than spending an ongoing premium for living there day to day which may even have certain negatives.
        vanilla_nut 5y ago
        Likewise, chose a cute little New England town when I realized that the benefits of living in a city are mostly... drunks, drugs, and concerts that are neat, but I'm unlikely to attend. There's culture and museums and lots of different food in cities, but all I really need is a small smattering of decent establishments in exactly the vein you just mentioned. And of course a good environment for working from home.
        asoneth 5y ago
        Same. Given our requirements and price range we would not be living within walking distance of the city museums or cultural amenities anyway, and we would be about as far a walk from the closest supermarket or cafe as we are now. I think there is something to be said for New England towns where the design of the town center predates the automobile and is therefore pleasantly dense and walkable. They just don't seem to make towns like that any more. If you can be 100% remote and don't need the transit options to the big city then just a little further out you can find charming towns for even less.
  - goodpoint 5y ago
    For sure, not by living in car-centric cities. We survived in little pedestrian-only villages. That thing that now is considered luxury or even a tourist destination.
newsclues 5y ago
Cities offer more than just jobs. Culture is also concentrated.
ChuckNorris89 5y ago
>The pandemic allowed remote work to flourish. Because in most of Europe (Austria for me) it didn't flourish and not every job can be done remotely as not everything IT related is web development and in many companies management did not give ownership and resources to maintain remote work IT infrastructure to anyone, so everything is chaotic and crumbling to bits now that things are opening up and most people are back in the offices. Few companies here are keeping 100% remote once the vaccine mandate came through and things started opening up this spring, and now the new standard is various hybrid work variants where you get 1-3 days per week remote and the rest in the office, or one week remote, one in the office, without any logic or arguments behind these choices, just "because management said so" and "this is how we do it here". >Why are people still crowding the cities? Because that's where the amenities and the networking opportunities still are. Universities, clubs, bars, music halls, swimming pools, great restaurants, bouldering halls and gyms, music and jazz bars and basically anything to do with art. Oh, and most importantly, dating. It's way more difficult to meet someone when you live alone in the sticks VS being surrounded by people your own age sharing similar interests.
b20000 5y ago
because there is nothing to do if you live in the middle of nowhere except maybe watching TV and screwing around with your computer? gets boring fast.
b20000 5y ago
why did your friends leave berlin?
bsder 5y ago
> The pandemic allowed remote work to flourish. Why are people still crowding the cities? Because the top employers by number of people are all about schlepping shit from A (where population isn't) to B (where population is), and that can't be done remotely. Then you have the manufacturers, and that can't be done remotely either. Most jobs cannot be done solely using a computer keyboard.

The pandemic allowed remote work to flourish. Why are people still crowding the cities? And of all the places, specially Berlin. Not even that great of a city. A lot of my friends fled the city.

closeparen 5y ago

Any place I can’t walk on well-traveled sidewalks to a coffee shop, restaurant, grocery store, etc. is a place not fit for human habitation.

jfk13 5y ago
I wonder how humans survived for the first, oh, 99% or so of the time we've been on earth?
- tayo42 5y ago
  We've been driving to costco since neanderthals walked the earth
- not2b 5y ago
  For all that time, people had to walk to wherever they needed to get to, so yes, they had to pick places where what they needed was close by.
- megous 5y ago
  Barely. The humans certainly would not survive in the current numbers/concentrations, without all the civilization around them.
- closeparen 5y ago
  Prior to the automobile era, we were all pedestrians. A small town was a town you could walk the length of. Europe is dotted with old villages denser than contemporary North American cities.
  - ghaff 5y ago
    While true, I suspect most of the people who are looking for walkability want something more than a small town with a pub, a small market, and maybe a couple other stores/cafes/etc. I've stayed in many of those small towns and they can be very pleasant--but there's not a whole lot within easy walking distance.
    - asoneth 5y ago
      My partner and I were looking for a walkable urban neighborhood but ultimately ended up in a small town with a pub, market, cafe, store... and a train to the big city. Couldn't be happier, but I wouldn't recommend it to someone who is single.
      - ghaff 5y ago
        Depending upon circumstances, there's certainly something to be said for spending money/effort to go into a city now and then rather than spending an ongoing premium for living there day to day which may even have certain negatives.
      - vanilla_nut 5y ago
        Likewise, chose a cute little New England town when I realized that the benefits of living in a city are mostly... drunks, drugs, and concerts that are neat, but I'm unlikely to attend. There's culture and museums and lots of different food in cities, but all I really need is a small smattering of decent establishments in exactly the vein you just mentioned. And of course a good environment for working from home.
        asoneth 5y ago
        Same. Given our requirements and price range we would not be living within walking distance of the city museums or cultural amenities anyway, and we would be about as far a walk from the closest supermarket or cafe as we are now. I think there is something to be said for New England towns where the design of the town center predates the automobile and is therefore pleasantly dense and walkable. They just don't seem to make towns like that any more. If you can be 100% remote and don't need the transit options to the big city then just a little further out you can find charming towns for even less.
- goodpoint 5y ago
  For sure, not by living in car-centric cities. We survived in little pedestrian-only villages. That thing that now is considered luxury or even a tourist destination.

newsclues 5y ago

Cities offer more than just jobs. Culture is also concentrated.

ChuckNorris89 5y ago

>The pandemic allowed remote work to flourish. Because in most of Europe (Austria for me) it didn't flourish and not every job can be done remotely as not everything IT related is web development and in many companies management did not give ownership and resources to maintain remote work IT infrastructure to anyone, so everything is chaotic and crumbling to bits now that things are opening up and most people are back in the offices. Few companies here are keeping 100% remote once the vaccine mandate came through and things started opening up this spring, and now the new standard is various hybrid work variants where you get 1-3 days per week remote and the rest in the office, or one week remote, one in the office, without any logic or arguments behind these choices, just "because management said so" and "this is how we do it here". >Why are people still crowding the cities? Because that's where the amenities and the networking opportunities still are. Universities, clubs, bars, music halls, swimming pools, great restaurants, bouldering halls and gyms, music and jazz bars and basically anything to do with art. Oh, and most importantly, dating. It's way more difficult to meet someone when you live alone in the sticks VS being surrounded by people your own age sharing similar interests.

b20000 5y ago

because there is nothing to do if you live in the middle of nowhere except maybe watching TV and screwing around with your computer? gets boring fast.

b20000 5y ago

why did your friends leave berlin?

bsder 5y ago

> The pandemic allowed remote work to flourish. Why are people still crowding the cities? Because the top employers by number of people are all about schlepping shit from A (where population isn't) to B (where population is), and that can't be done remotely. Then you have the manufacturers, and that can't be done remotely either. Most jobs cannot be done solely using a computer keyboard.