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California had just had its net population change going negative for the first time recently. There is a threshold where more businesses leave that it’s startin

California had just had its net population change going negative for the first time recently. There is a threshold where more businesses leave that it’s starting to reach. The cost of living doesn’t help along with crime. Climate change will also make the situation worse in the coming years, where we eventually lose temperate weather in exchange for forest fires. We’re already experiencing failing infrastructure like regular blackouts and issues with the bridges. The state’s main saving grace for business is that non-competes are not legal in the state. It’s lucky that no other state is smart enough to do the same thing yet. If Oregon or Washington did it, it would be game over.

eigen 5y ago
> California had just had its net population change going negative for the first time recently. based on 2020 census, California is still growing. 2020: 39,538,223 2010: 37,253,956 6.1% increase https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/dec/popchange-data-text.html https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/dec/popchange...
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  The decrease was in estimated 2021 vs 2020 population, not census 2020 vs 2010.
- LinuxBender 5y ago
  I can only add my anecdotal observations for whatever that is worth. When I left California in 2021 it was impossible for me to get equipment from U-haul, Penksy and Budget. I eventually gave up and hired a moving company despite having downsized my assets considerably. Even that was a challenge and the coordinators were spread extremely thin. Every company I spoke to said that they've never seen so many people leaving. I don't know what that translates to in real numbers. I also experienced something odd and unexpected. I would call a friend to say I was moving and they said they were too. This happened several times. Of the people in my circle that didn't leave it was either family or work obligations that was keeping them from relocating despite many wanting to.
amf12 5y ago
> California had just had its net population change going negative for the first time recently How much was it because of the pandemic causing work from home, which led to new employees joining remotely and not relocating to California, young people who lived here to move somewhere cheaper. The net growth might possibly increase in the coming years.
- secabeen 5y ago
  That's a factor, as is significant reductions in immigration. I expect California's population growth will return once things return more to normal.
- chaostheory 5y ago
  We’ll see. It’s also good to note that more and more companies are leaving due to both a combination of legislation, cost, and crime.

eigen 5y ago

> California had just had its net population change going negative for the first time recently. based on 2020 census, California is still growing. 2020: 39,538,223 2010: 37,253,956 6.1% increase https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/dec/popchange-data-text.html https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/dec/popchange...

dragonwriter 5y ago
The decrease was in estimated 2021 vs 2020 population, not census 2020 vs 2010.
LinuxBender 5y ago
I can only add my anecdotal observations for whatever that is worth. When I left California in 2021 it was impossible for me to get equipment from U-haul, Penksy and Budget. I eventually gave up and hired a moving company despite having downsized my assets considerably. Even that was a challenge and the coordinators were spread extremely thin. Every company I spoke to said that they've never seen so many people leaving. I don't know what that translates to in real numbers. I also experienced something odd and unexpected. I would call a friend to say I was moving and they said they were too. This happened several times. Of the people in my circle that didn't leave it was either family or work obligations that was keeping them from relocating despite many wanting to.

amf12 5y ago

> California had just had its net population change going negative for the first time recently How much was it because of the pandemic causing work from home, which led to new employees joining remotely and not relocating to California, young people who lived here to move somewhere cheaper. The net growth might possibly increase in the coming years.

secabeen 5y ago
That's a factor, as is significant reductions in immigration. I expect California's population growth will return once things return more to normal.
chaostheory 5y ago
We’ll see. It’s also good to note that more and more companies are leaving due to both a combination of legislation, cost, and crime.