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It's not really unchecked though. There's the department vice chair, department chair, the college dean, the dean of student affairs, a student senate, a facult

It's not really unchecked though. There's the department vice chair, department chair, the college dean, the dean of student affairs, a student senate, a faculty senate, etc. etc... there's a structure here for resolving grievances.

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logifail 5y ago
> there's a structure here for resolving grievances That may look good on paper. Yet a 20-something student vs an academic surrounded by supporters and wielding power and influence, it's only ever going to go one way. I've personally been on the wrong end of it. After reviewing my options, noting that my supervisor had just been elected Fellow of the Royal Society in London, I decided to bite my tongue, complete my PhD, and leave. The relationship was so broken I didn't even say goodbye to my supervisor (literally cleared out all my stuff from the lab very late one night), and I've never spoken to him, or had any contact with anyone in his research group ever since.
- Fomite 5y ago
  "it's only ever going to go one way." I have seen it go the other way as well.
gwbrooks 5y ago
Agree, and let's also remember that these are wholly voluntary situations. Unchecked power is a pretty big charge in a situation where the student can (Yes, at a cost) always walk away.
- logifail 5y ago
  > Agree, and let's also remember that these are wholly voluntary situations Someone is in a position of power over someone else, and is exploiting that, and a response is to claim that this is a "wholly voluntary situation"? Really?!
- patrick451 5y ago
  I take it you think we should do away with workplace discrimination laws, the minimum wage and OSHA too. I for one, wish there were more thumbs in my canned chili. It's been a little bland lately.
patrick451 5y ago
Yeah, that's all just a dog and pony show. If you escalate an issue with your advisor through any of those channels, your career is toast. You might as well just quit.

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logifail 5y ago

> there's a structure here for resolving grievances That may look good on paper. Yet a 20-something student vs an academic surrounded by supporters and wielding power and influence, it's only ever going to go one way. I've personally been on the wrong end of it. After reviewing my options, noting that my supervisor had just been elected Fellow of the Royal Society in London, I decided to bite my tongue, complete my PhD, and leave. The relationship was so broken I didn't even say goodbye to my supervisor (literally cleared out all my stuff from the lab very late one night), and I've never spoken to him, or had any contact with anyone in his research group ever since.

Fomite 5y ago
"it's only ever going to go one way." I have seen it go the other way as well.

gwbrooks 5y ago

Agree, and let's also remember that these are wholly voluntary situations. Unchecked power is a pretty big charge in a situation where the student can (Yes, at a cost) always walk away.

logifail 5y ago
> Agree, and let's also remember that these are wholly voluntary situations Someone is in a position of power over someone else, and is exploiting that, and a response is to claim that this is a "wholly voluntary situation"? Really?!
patrick451 5y ago
I take it you think we should do away with workplace discrimination laws, the minimum wage and OSHA too. I for one, wish there were more thumbs in my canned chili. It's been a little bland lately.

patrick451 5y ago

Yeah, that's all just a dog and pony show. If you escalate an issue with your advisor through any of those channels, your career is toast. You might as well just quit.