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Jimmy Carter. A great president treated like an outcast. If you fight for things like fair elections or against things like apartheid you will be demoted despit

Jimmy Carter. A great president treated like an outcast. If you fight for things like fair elections or against things like apartheid you will be demoted despite your credentials.

hsnewman 4y ago
Only by people who don't want fair elections and apartheid. He was a good president.
- recuter 4y ago
  Only, huh? You know it is quite tiresome this attitude of "if you don't vote like me you're literally pro terrible thing". It is just as annoying as people who would accuse Carter voters of being limp wristed champagne communists. A lot of the people who voted for him the first time around did not vote for him the second time around for a variety of reasons. Primarily his perceived job performance.
  - DonHopkins 4y ago
    “To watch that thing on television, as I did, to see those, those monkeys from those African countries – damn them, they’re still uncomfortable wearing shoes!” Reagan tells Nixon, who erupts in laughter. A lot of those people voted for Reagan primarily because of his perceived and actual manifest racism and dog whistles, the exact same reason they and the racist children they raised also voted for Trump. How Ronald Reagan’s Racism Helped Pave the Way for Donald Trump’s https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/tv/a34733508/reagans-showtime-racism-matt-tyrnauer-ian-haney-lopez-donald-trump/ https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/tv/a34733508/reagans-s... >“The Republican Party has consistently used Reagan for their moral authority, but I think that there are many aspects of the Reagan presidency that do not hold up under scrutiny and cannot be used as the basis for a moral argument for Republicanism,” Tyrnauer tells Esquire. The “huge amount of dog-whistle racism that came from Reagan's own lips,” he says, “was under-reported in the time and has been virtually erased from the popular imagination.” >Using archival footage and interviews with journalists, experts, and members of the former president’s circle, including his son Ron Reagan, Sunday’s episode examines the ways in which Reagan utilized racism that tapped into the nation’s oldest bigotries while being just subtle enough to be denied. He kicked off his run as 1980’s Republican presidential nominee with an appearance at the Neshoba, Mississippi county fair, where he professed his commitment to states’ rights. Lauding federalism at a campaign could seem reasonable enough, but the subtext is insidious. Neshoba county was infamous for the 1964 Freedom Summer murders of civil rights activists James Chaney, Andrew Goodman, and Michael Schwerner, and appeals to states’ rights have long been used to justify southern states’ refusal to enact civil rights measures. By touting himself as a states’ rights candidate near the site of one of the nation’s most famous hate crimes, Reagan offered voters a racism that was both obvious and unspoken. Ronald Reagan: No defence for 'monkeys' remark, says daughter https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49207451 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49207451 >The daughter of the late US President Ronald Reagan has said there is "no defence" for racist comments he made in a 1971 phone conversation. >Newly unearthed tapes reveal Reagan - then Governor of California - described UN African delegates as "monkeys". >His daughter Patti Davis condemned the remarks in a newspaper article. >"There is no defence, no rationalisation, no suitable explanation for what my father said," she wrote. The Myth of the Welfare Queen https://newrepublic.com/article/154404/myth-welfare-queen https://newrepublic.com/article/154404/myth-welfare-queen How a Historian Uncovered Ronald Reagan’s Racist Remarks to Richard Nixon https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/how-a-historian-uncovered-ronald-reagans-racist-remarks-to-richard-nixon https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/how-a-historian-uncov... >In a taped call with Richard Nixon, from 1971, that the historian Tim Naftali recently made public, Ronald Reagan described the African delegates to the United Nations in luridly racist terms.Photograph from Bettmann / Getty OPINION: Ronald Reagan is a symbol of systemic racism. It’s time to rename our high school. https://milwaukeenns.org/2020/07/16/opinion-ronald-reagan-is-a-symbol-of-systemic-racism-its-time-to-rename-our-high-school/ https://milwaukeenns.org/2020/07/16/opinion-ronald-reagan-is... Ronald Reagan’s Long-Hidden Racist Conversation With Richard Nixon https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/07/ronald-reagans-racist-conversation-richard-nixon/595102/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/07/ronald-rea...
    - recuter 4y ago
      So? Read my comment again. P.S. - Racism bad. When it comes to dog whistles and political parties, well... Reagan used to be a democrat. Throwing that card at everybody who votes differently from you is just childish.
      - DonHopkins 4y ago
        Attempt to whitewash history and carry the water of racists all you want, but the fact that Reagan used to be a Democrat is no defense or counter argument of the fact that both Reagan and Trump were/are racist, and voters clearly understood and sympathized with that fact, responded to their dog whistles and klaxon alarms of racism (like "Blacks are Welfare Queens", "Africans are Monkeys", "Mexicans are Rapists", and "Very Fine People on Both Sides"), and voted for both of them because of it, because they were racist too. Do you say "So" because you disagree that Reagan and Trump are racist, or because you don't believe it matters if US presidents like Reagan and Trump are racist? You're carrying Reagan's water by presuming it was more about Carter's performance than Reagan's racism, and dismissing the fact that Reagan and Trump are racist by asking "So?" Exactly what have I said or done by citing historical facts that's worse than the actual racism of the people I deride? Is hurting the feeling of racists by reminding them of their racist history and acts even meaner than that racism itself, in your view? That's exactly why Republicans are currently having such conniptions about Critical Race Theory and the 1619 Project.
        recuter 4y ago
    - robonerd 4y ago
      It isn't hard to show that Reagan was a racist. But you haven't connected all the dots. Particularly, you haven't shown any convincing evidence that people who voted for Carter in '76 and Reagan in '80 were motivated by Reagan's racism.
      - DonHopkins 4y ago
mytailorisrich 4y ago
"It's the economy, stupid" If people are unemployed and/or face high inflation and energy costs they won't vote for you whatever your stance on apartheid...
- blululu 4y ago
  Republicans like Eisenhower, Nixon and Bush all got re-elected after first terms of job losses. (Reagan is the only Republican post WWII to post first term job gains). If the economy were the end all be all, then there would be no need to have a disrespectful slogan to score ideological points.
  - mytailorisrich 4y ago
    The situation was especially dire under Carter, not least when the energy crisis struck at the end of his term. The humiliation that was the Iran Hostage Crisis (also towards the end of his term) did not help. And so Reagan moved in and vowed to "make America great again". This has nothing to do with ideology and my comment was not an ideological attack. People are first and foremost concerned about their lives and livelihoods. Considering the economic situation over Carter's term it was always going to be an uphill struggle to be re-elected. PS: that quote is by an adviser of Bill Clinton's during his successful campaign against Bush and, I believe, was on the wall of their campaign HQ... I'm sure no-one felt disrespected or insulted.
    - blululu 4y ago
      Thanks for clarifying. Carter was dealt a bad hand and his re-election prospects were never good. But one could easily imagine that if Operation Eagle Claw had succeeded and the American Hostages had been rescued, then he would have been re-elected inspite of stagflation. My point is that it is not always so simple.
drewcoo 4y ago
He was an outcast in his own party. [1] With not just the Republicans but also the Democrats against him, he wasn't terribly effective. What he did post-Presidency is no way to measure his tenure in office. [1] https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/01/21/camelots-end-kennedy-vs-carter-democratic-convention-1980-224030/ https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/01/21/camelots-...

Jimmy Carter. A great president treated like an outcast. If you fight for things like fair elections or against things like apartheid you will be demoted despite your credentials.

hsnewman 4y ago

Only by people who don't want fair elections and apartheid. He was a good president.

recuter 4y ago
Only, huh? You know it is quite tiresome this attitude of "if you don't vote like me you're literally pro terrible thing". It is just as annoying as people who would accuse Carter voters of being limp wristed champagne communists. A lot of the people who voted for him the first time around did not vote for him the second time around for a variety of reasons. Primarily his perceived job performance.
- DonHopkins 4y ago
  “To watch that thing on television, as I did, to see those, those monkeys from those African countries – damn them, they’re still uncomfortable wearing shoes!” Reagan tells Nixon, who erupts in laughter. A lot of those people voted for Reagan primarily because of his perceived and actual manifest racism and dog whistles, the exact same reason they and the racist children they raised also voted for Trump. How Ronald Reagan’s Racism Helped Pave the Way for Donald Trump’s https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/tv/a34733508/reagans-showtime-racism-matt-tyrnauer-ian-haney-lopez-donald-trump/ https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/tv/a34733508/reagans-s... >“The Republican Party has consistently used Reagan for their moral authority, but I think that there are many aspects of the Reagan presidency that do not hold up under scrutiny and cannot be used as the basis for a moral argument for Republicanism,” Tyrnauer tells Esquire. The “huge amount of dog-whistle racism that came from Reagan's own lips,” he says, “was under-reported in the time and has been virtually erased from the popular imagination.” >Using archival footage and interviews with journalists, experts, and members of the former president’s circle, including his son Ron Reagan, Sunday’s episode examines the ways in which Reagan utilized racism that tapped into the nation’s oldest bigotries while being just subtle enough to be denied. He kicked off his run as 1980’s Republican presidential nominee with an appearance at the Neshoba, Mississippi county fair, where he professed his commitment to states’ rights. Lauding federalism at a campaign could seem reasonable enough, but the subtext is insidious. Neshoba county was infamous for the 1964 Freedom Summer murders of civil rights activists James Chaney, Andrew Goodman, and Michael Schwerner, and appeals to states’ rights have long been used to justify southern states’ refusal to enact civil rights measures. By touting himself as a states’ rights candidate near the site of one of the nation’s most famous hate crimes, Reagan offered voters a racism that was both obvious and unspoken. Ronald Reagan: No defence for 'monkeys' remark, says daughter https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49207451 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49207451 >The daughter of the late US President Ronald Reagan has said there is "no defence" for racist comments he made in a 1971 phone conversation. >Newly unearthed tapes reveal Reagan - then Governor of California - described UN African delegates as "monkeys". >His daughter Patti Davis condemned the remarks in a newspaper article. >"There is no defence, no rationalisation, no suitable explanation for what my father said," she wrote. The Myth of the Welfare Queen https://newrepublic.com/article/154404/myth-welfare-queen https://newrepublic.com/article/154404/myth-welfare-queen How a Historian Uncovered Ronald Reagan’s Racist Remarks to Richard Nixon https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/how-a-historian-uncovered-ronald-reagans-racist-remarks-to-richard-nixon https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/how-a-historian-uncov... >In a taped call with Richard Nixon, from 1971, that the historian Tim Naftali recently made public, Ronald Reagan described the African delegates to the United Nations in luridly racist terms.Photograph from Bettmann / Getty OPINION: Ronald Reagan is a symbol of systemic racism. It’s time to rename our high school. https://milwaukeenns.org/2020/07/16/opinion-ronald-reagan-is-a-symbol-of-systemic-racism-its-time-to-rename-our-high-school/ https://milwaukeenns.org/2020/07/16/opinion-ronald-reagan-is... Ronald Reagan’s Long-Hidden Racist Conversation With Richard Nixon https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/07/ronald-reagans-racist-conversation-richard-nixon/595102/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/07/ronald-rea...
  - recuter 4y ago
    So? Read my comment again. P.S. - Racism bad. When it comes to dog whistles and political parties, well... Reagan used to be a democrat. Throwing that card at everybody who votes differently from you is just childish.
    - DonHopkins 4y ago
      Attempt to whitewash history and carry the water of racists all you want, but the fact that Reagan used to be a Democrat is no defense or counter argument of the fact that both Reagan and Trump were/are racist, and voters clearly understood and sympathized with that fact, responded to their dog whistles and klaxon alarms of racism (like "Blacks are Welfare Queens", "Africans are Monkeys", "Mexicans are Rapists", and "Very Fine People on Both Sides"), and voted for both of them because of it, because they were racist too. Do you say "So" because you disagree that Reagan and Trump are racist, or because you don't believe it matters if US presidents like Reagan and Trump are racist? You're carrying Reagan's water by presuming it was more about Carter's performance than Reagan's racism, and dismissing the fact that Reagan and Trump are racist by asking "So?" Exactly what have I said or done by citing historical facts that's worse than the actual racism of the people I deride? Is hurting the feeling of racists by reminding them of their racist history and acts even meaner than that racism itself, in your view? That's exactly why Republicans are currently having such conniptions about Critical Race Theory and the 1619 Project.
      - recuter 4y ago
  - robonerd 4y ago
    It isn't hard to show that Reagan was a racist. But you haven't connected all the dots. Particularly, you haven't shown any convincing evidence that people who voted for Carter in '76 and Reagan in '80 were motivated by Reagan's racism.
    - DonHopkins 4y ago

mytailorisrich 4y ago

"It's the economy, stupid" If people are unemployed and/or face high inflation and energy costs they won't vote for you whatever your stance on apartheid...

blululu 4y ago
Republicans like Eisenhower, Nixon and Bush all got re-elected after first terms of job losses. (Reagan is the only Republican post WWII to post first term job gains). If the economy were the end all be all, then there would be no need to have a disrespectful slogan to score ideological points.
- mytailorisrich 4y ago
  The situation was especially dire under Carter, not least when the energy crisis struck at the end of his term. The humiliation that was the Iran Hostage Crisis (also towards the end of his term) did not help. And so Reagan moved in and vowed to "make America great again". This has nothing to do with ideology and my comment was not an ideological attack. People are first and foremost concerned about their lives and livelihoods. Considering the economic situation over Carter's term it was always going to be an uphill struggle to be re-elected. PS: that quote is by an adviser of Bill Clinton's during his successful campaign against Bush and, I believe, was on the wall of their campaign HQ... I'm sure no-one felt disrespected or insulted.
  - blululu 4y ago
    Thanks for clarifying. Carter was dealt a bad hand and his re-election prospects were never good. But one could easily imagine that if Operation Eagle Claw had succeeded and the American Hostages had been rescued, then he would have been re-elected inspite of stagflation. My point is that it is not always so simple.

drewcoo 4y ago

He was an outcast in his own party. [1] With not just the Republicans but also the Democrats against him, he wasn't terribly effective. What he did post-Presidency is no way to measure his tenure in office. [1] https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/01/21/camelots-end-kennedy-vs-carter-democratic-convention-1980-224030/ https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/01/21/camelots-...