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I mean, assuming they can contain it in Shanghai, then China really is an ideal society where Covid isn't running wild. We are yet to see the full burden of dis

I mean, assuming they can contain it in Shanghai, then China really is an ideal society where Covid isn't running wild. We are yet to see the full burden of disease and disability from (repeated) Covid infections - it may be very serious.

smcl 5y ago
This situation in Shanghai sounds pretty far from an ideal society, it sounds downright horrifying
- somewhereoutth 5y ago
  Certainly it is awful in Shanghai right now, but it will be for a limited time period, and the benefits (of zero Covid) will out weigh this cost of this investment in public health.
  - smcl 5y ago
    I would say that in an ideal society you do not get suddenly locked down wherever you happen to be with no notice and no way to return to take care of pets or loved ones. Additionally said ideal society would not send me off to some covid hospital and kill my dog if I tested positive. I backed the mild but effective lockdowns we had and defended them when people called them dystopian or said they were worse than Covid. I cannot get behind these lockdowns in China, they are dystopian and I cannot fathom your sunny disposition towards them
  - nazgul17 5y ago
    It doesn't work that way. Covid will always find its way in China since it's not a locked down island, so the pain from a zero covid policy won't be short lived at all. And that's not considering hard to track pockets of the virus within the country.
  - School-Cotton 5y ago
    People like you truly can’t be reasoned with. Your obsession with Covid as being worse than any possible mitigation strategy is borderline religious.
petefromnorth 5y ago
How is China in any way ideal. Here in the west, with very high voluntary vaccination rates, everything for the most part is back to normal. Even the vaccination verification process is gone. We dealt with covid in a reasonable, science-first way, which also allowed us to have the freedom to not get vaccinated, talk about what's happening, etc. Sounds much more ideal than the shitshow going on in Shanghai currently.

smcl 5y ago

This situation in Shanghai sounds pretty far from an ideal society, it sounds downright horrifying

somewhereoutth 5y ago
Certainly it is awful in Shanghai right now, but it will be for a limited time period, and the benefits (of zero Covid) will out weigh this cost of this investment in public health.
- smcl 5y ago
  I would say that in an ideal society you do not get suddenly locked down wherever you happen to be with no notice and no way to return to take care of pets or loved ones. Additionally said ideal society would not send me off to some covid hospital and kill my dog if I tested positive. I backed the mild but effective lockdowns we had and defended them when people called them dystopian or said they were worse than Covid. I cannot get behind these lockdowns in China, they are dystopian and I cannot fathom your sunny disposition towards them
- nazgul17 5y ago
  It doesn't work that way. Covid will always find its way in China since it's not a locked down island, so the pain from a zero covid policy won't be short lived at all. And that's not considering hard to track pockets of the virus within the country.
- School-Cotton 5y ago
  People like you truly can’t be reasoned with. Your obsession with Covid as being worse than any possible mitigation strategy is borderline religious.

petefromnorth 5y ago

How is China in any way ideal. Here in the west, with very high voluntary vaccination rates, everything for the most part is back to normal. Even the vaccination verification process is gone. We dealt with covid in a reasonable, science-first way, which also allowed us to have the freedom to not get vaccinated, talk about what's happening, etc. Sounds much more ideal than the shitshow going on in Shanghai currently.