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The article provides no direct evidence of people starving, only that 'We cannot freely choose our recipes'. There is also a picture of 3 fresh fish!

likeabbas 5y ago
- Jerrrry 5y ago
krona 5y ago
One assumes he acquired the fish with the exchange of money, however some occupations actually still require your physical presence outside your bedroom. Do you see the catch-22? Given the photo of food rations (unlikely to support an adult for a day) the implication is there is no financial support for Shanghai residents, but the author doesn't say.
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zshbleaker 5y ago
Dude I live in Shanghai and I’m starving. Just wiped the refrigerator for tomorrow and got no clue for what’s next.
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- dmix 5y ago
  I hope you pull through this, I would likely be in a similar position as I don’t stock food up often. Also ignore the GP he’s all over the thread defending hyper aggressive lockdowns like Shanghai is doing and accusing the blogger of using the term “identity politics” as a “dog whistle” which is borderline paranoid (the kind of people you would expect to obsessively fear COVID and back extreme measures).
  - zshbleaker 5y ago
    Thanks for your kind words. Unfortunately thoughts like the GP’s is still hold by the gov and the majority of people in this country out of Shanghai. They turned blind eyes to the humanitarian emergencies as always.
smcl 5y ago
Yes the author cannot freely choose their recipes and was able to buy three fish: > a good ‘catch’ for what we can still buy on delivery apps But they're able to work from home, likely wealthy and well resourced. They also mention this: > we’re lucky — many people (because of the nature of their job) cannot and see their bank account go to zero, or their own business go bankrupt If you can't work, earn money and (therefore) can't scour delivery apps for food you're going to starve (note also: they said they've had one small state-provided package of food for nine days)
- somewhereoutth 5y ago
  Again, the author conjectures that people may starve, but provides no evidence, anecdotal or otherwise, that people are starving.
  - smcl 5y ago
    That's setting a pretty high bar for the author, no? They're locked inside their apartment building and can't really go out and start knocking on doors and surveying the population at large - in fact I think that would get them into trouble pretty quickly. So we don't have anything but conjecture and common sense (and various reports, videos posted elsewhere in these comments) to go on. I think it's pretty reasonable to assume that if there are people who are not able to earn money and there's spotty food provisions from the state, that people will be starving.
    - somewhereoutth 5y ago
      Given the bartering that seems to be going on, it sounds like the author has good connections with their neighbours, certainly enough to be aware of anyone actually starving - and I don't doubt they'd highlight specific cases in the article if they knew of any. A reasonable assumption is still an assumption, but it may be that there are additional support networks (formal or otherwise) to help those most at risk.
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fivea 5y ago
> The article provides no direct evidence of people starving, only that 'We cannot freely choose our recipes'. What? The article clearly describes how people in Shanghai are barred from accessing the supplies they ordered because their buildings have been literally locked up and there is no way to get their orders past the outside gate. From the article: > Sometimes one of the people in the locked building yells to the dabai or anyone who passes, to hand over the vegetables she has ordered and who are now perishing at the locked gate of their building. But people don’t have the key and the ones who do may not necessarily care.
Hnrobert42 5y ago
I appreciate your insistence on evidence of starvation. Death from starvation generally requires 30 - 70 days without food, depending on starting weight, body fat, activity levels, etc. Shanghai has been under lockdown for 12 days. It is unlikely you will find any real evidence of starvation. More interesting to me are the claims that food is scarce, grocery orders are unreliable, the government has not provided sufficient rations. Most importantly, the claim that the government insisted there would be no lockdown and arrested folks for disinformation when they predicted it, thus leaving the population unprepared. Do you have any evidence that the government prepared the populace for this event? Do you have evidence they are supply sufficient rations?
- djrogers 5y ago
  >Death from starvation generally requires 30 - 70 days without food (Snip) > It is unlikely you will find any real evidence of starvation Whoa there - how’d you manage to move those goalposts so quickly? Starvation is a condition - death is not a required aspect of that condition. Starvation has long been considered inhumane, and a form of torture - it’s not OK all of a sudden just because you don’t have proof someone died.
  - 88913527 5y ago
    Right, I read your parent comment and think, "Well, we're 12 of 30 days in". Obviously people are going to fight back, they'd have nothing to lose but still enough energy left to act. The closer you get to 30 days, the dimmer the probability becomes.
  - Hnrobert42 5y ago
    I think you misunderstood my point which was that @somewhereoutth was insisting on evidence of starvation. I was noting that it was too early to see the most obvious effect, namely death. You may have misunderstood which side I was on because I started my post by saying I appreciated their insistence on evidence. I was just trying to be civil and assume positive intent.
- robonerd 5y ago
stjohnswarts 5y ago
Use logic. Do you actually believe the communist party in China has the resources to lock up 25 million people in their apartments and provide food and services for all of them over night? Of course people are starving.
hmd_imputer 5y ago
What is wrong with people like you? Seriously. There is bunch of content online that shows the severity of the situation in China. Here is one: https://twitter.com/cam_l/status/1512646118575812612 https://twitter.com/cam_l/status/1512646118575812612 Regarding the fish, I think you have conveniently missed the most important part: "Three fresh fish, a good ‘catch’ for what we can still buy on delivery apps, although you need to check it all day and be extremely lucky you can grab something for the split second it’s available.".

likeabbas 5y ago

Jerrrry 5y ago

krona 5y ago

One assumes he acquired the fish with the exchange of money, however some occupations actually still require your physical presence outside your bedroom. Do you see the catch-22? Given the photo of food rations (unlikely to support an adult for a day) the implication is there is no financial support for Shanghai residents, but the author doesn't say.

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zshbleaker 5y ago

Dude I live in Shanghai and I’m starving. Just wiped the refrigerator for tomorrow and got no clue for what’s next.

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dmix 5y ago
I hope you pull through this, I would likely be in a similar position as I don’t stock food up often. Also ignore the GP he’s all over the thread defending hyper aggressive lockdowns like Shanghai is doing and accusing the blogger of using the term “identity politics” as a “dog whistle” which is borderline paranoid (the kind of people you would expect to obsessively fear COVID and back extreme measures).
- zshbleaker 5y ago
  Thanks for your kind words. Unfortunately thoughts like the GP’s is still hold by the gov and the majority of people in this country out of Shanghai. They turned blind eyes to the humanitarian emergencies as always.

smcl 5y ago

Yes the author cannot freely choose their recipes and was able to buy three fish: > a good ‘catch’ for what we can still buy on delivery apps But they're able to work from home, likely wealthy and well resourced. They also mention this: > we’re lucky — many people (because of the nature of their job) cannot and see their bank account go to zero, or their own business go bankrupt If you can't work, earn money and (therefore) can't scour delivery apps for food you're going to starve (note also: they said they've had one small state-provided package of food for nine days)

somewhereoutth 5y ago
Again, the author conjectures that people may starve, but provides no evidence, anecdotal or otherwise, that people are starving.
- smcl 5y ago
  That's setting a pretty high bar for the author, no? They're locked inside their apartment building and can't really go out and start knocking on doors and surveying the population at large - in fact I think that would get them into trouble pretty quickly. So we don't have anything but conjecture and common sense (and various reports, videos posted elsewhere in these comments) to go on. I think it's pretty reasonable to assume that if there are people who are not able to earn money and there's spotty food provisions from the state, that people will be starving.
  - somewhereoutth 5y ago
    Given the bartering that seems to be going on, it sounds like the author has good connections with their neighbours, certainly enough to be aware of anyone actually starving - and I don't doubt they'd highlight specific cases in the article if they knew of any. A reasonable assumption is still an assumption, but it may be that there are additional support networks (formal or otherwise) to help those most at risk.
    - smcl 5y ago

fivea 5y ago

> The article provides no direct evidence of people starving, only that 'We cannot freely choose our recipes'. What? The article clearly describes how people in Shanghai are barred from accessing the supplies they ordered because their buildings have been literally locked up and there is no way to get their orders past the outside gate. From the article: > Sometimes one of the people in the locked building yells to the dabai or anyone who passes, to hand over the vegetables she has ordered and who are now perishing at the locked gate of their building. But people don’t have the key and the ones who do may not necessarily care.

Hnrobert42 5y ago

I appreciate your insistence on evidence of starvation. Death from starvation generally requires 30 - 70 days without food, depending on starting weight, body fat, activity levels, etc. Shanghai has been under lockdown for 12 days. It is unlikely you will find any real evidence of starvation. More interesting to me are the claims that food is scarce, grocery orders are unreliable, the government has not provided sufficient rations. Most importantly, the claim that the government insisted there would be no lockdown and arrested folks for disinformation when they predicted it, thus leaving the population unprepared. Do you have any evidence that the government prepared the populace for this event? Do you have evidence they are supply sufficient rations?

djrogers 5y ago
>Death from starvation generally requires 30 - 70 days without food (Snip) > It is unlikely you will find any real evidence of starvation Whoa there - how’d you manage to move those goalposts so quickly? Starvation is a condition - death is not a required aspect of that condition. Starvation has long been considered inhumane, and a form of torture - it’s not OK all of a sudden just because you don’t have proof someone died.
- 88913527 5y ago
  Right, I read your parent comment and think, "Well, we're 12 of 30 days in". Obviously people are going to fight back, they'd have nothing to lose but still enough energy left to act. The closer you get to 30 days, the dimmer the probability becomes.
- Hnrobert42 5y ago
  I think you misunderstood my point which was that @somewhereoutth was insisting on evidence of starvation. I was noting that it was too early to see the most obvious effect, namely death. You may have misunderstood which side I was on because I started my post by saying I appreciated their insistence on evidence. I was just trying to be civil and assume positive intent.
robonerd 5y ago

stjohnswarts 5y ago

Use logic. Do you actually believe the communist party in China has the resources to lock up 25 million people in their apartments and provide food and services for all of them over night? Of course people are starving.

hmd_imputer 5y ago

What is wrong with people like you? Seriously. There is bunch of content online that shows the severity of the situation in China. Here is one: https://twitter.com/cam_l/status/1512646118575812612 https://twitter.com/cam_l/status/1512646118575812612 Regarding the fish, I think you have conveniently missed the most important part: "Three fresh fish, a good ‘catch’ for what we can still buy on delivery apps, although you need to check it all day and be extremely lucky you can grab something for the split second it’s available.".