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Yeah, this is bullshit. Even with no knowledge of China or Shanghai whatsoever you should know this is bullshit. There were very few jumpers in New York on Sept

Yeah, this is bullshit. Even with no knowledge of China or Shanghai whatsoever you should know this is bullshit. There were very few jumpers in New York on September 11th. Most people don’t kill themselves in the face of certain death by burning or a building falling. Mass suicide wasn’t a thing in extermination camps like Auschwitz. Religiously motivated instances of mass suicide rely on peer pressure mechanisms that don’t function when everyone’s in their damned apartment. Also there’s no hint of this in any of the group chats I’m in and given I’m in Shanghai that would be big local news. Censorship doesn’t work well or fast when people have nothing to do except gossip.

seizethegdgap 5y ago
The video is here, (https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/tzosau/people_in_shanghai_do_not_have_food_due_to/ https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/tzosau/peop...) but each clip is unsourced or from an unknown date/time/location. It isn't a collective "mass suicide" in the Jonestown sense of the term, but a mass amount of individuals committing suicide.
- hihihihi1234 5y ago
  I know this guy who's a rabid anti-vaxxer who thinks the COVID vaccines are a bioweapon engineered to kill people as part of a shadowy conspiracy to lower the world population by a billions. He claims that vaccinated people are dropping dead of heart attacks left, right and centre and it's all being covered up. Recently he sent me some "evidence" of this claim which was a compilation of clips (many taken from live TV) of people collapsing or fainting, sometimes clutching their chests, overlayed with spooky music and the Pfizer logo in the corner. Don't you get it? All these people are collapsing because they took the vaccine! Except within five minutes I was able to find many of those same clips in other videos - eg by searching YouTube for "people fainting" - and most of them predated the pandemic by years. Clearly some troll had just found a bunch of old clips of people collapsing and edited it together into a lazy piece of anti-vaxx propaganda. And it works! People fall for it, even though this particular clip took about thirty seconds to debunk. My point is - I've seen videos before of people jumping from buildings. They're not hard to find online; the now-defunct r/watchpeopledie was full of them, as was Liveleak (RIP). It would be trivially easy to find a bunch of these clips, edit them together and give them a caption that claims they all happened recently in one place and are part of a disturbing new trend. So I'm not convinced that this video you shared is what it claims to be.
  - seizethegdgap 5y ago
    I understand that, I'm just sharing the video.
  - lowercased 5y ago
    Did you point this out to the 'rabid anti-vaxxer' who sent it to you? What was his reaction? My guess is the reality of it doesn't matter one bit to that person.
    - hihihihi1234 5y ago
      You guess correctly. This person isn't my friend, and I consider him beyond help.
0des 5y ago
Very few jumped in 9/11? Are you kidding me? I personally saw many with my own eyes.
- urthor 5y ago
  As a percentage it wasn't high. Dozens I think? Maybe 100 jumpers out of 3000 deaths? In the worst situation imaginable. I call that an endorsement for humanity's innate desire to grasp at life.
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - 0des 5y ago
    > as a percentage Buddy I don't even know where to start here, while being polite.
    - Noumenon72 5y ago
      This is basic numeracy. Looking at several instances of something and asking "Is that a lot?" It was many more suicides than you have seen on an average day but it may be a surprisingly small number given the situation. Percentage is a tool to help you ask "did the many incidents I heard about represent what most people there experienced, or not?"
      - urthor 5y ago
        I should've have had "this is a symbolism for how wonderful human beings are" at the start These were my exact thoughts. Even in a tragedy, most people tried their hardest until the very end.
  - sumedh 5y ago
    > Maybe 100 jumpers out of 3000 deaths? How many of those 3000 were not able to reach the windows?
  - jallen_dot_dev 5y ago

seizethegdgap 5y ago

The video is here, (https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/tzosau/people_in_shanghai_do_not_have_food_due_to/ https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/tzosau/peop...) but each clip is unsourced or from an unknown date/time/location. It isn't a collective "mass suicide" in the Jonestown sense of the term, but a mass amount of individuals committing suicide.

hihihihi1234 5y ago
I know this guy who's a rabid anti-vaxxer who thinks the COVID vaccines are a bioweapon engineered to kill people as part of a shadowy conspiracy to lower the world population by a billions. He claims that vaccinated people are dropping dead of heart attacks left, right and centre and it's all being covered up. Recently he sent me some "evidence" of this claim which was a compilation of clips (many taken from live TV) of people collapsing or fainting, sometimes clutching their chests, overlayed with spooky music and the Pfizer logo in the corner. Don't you get it? All these people are collapsing because they took the vaccine! Except within five minutes I was able to find many of those same clips in other videos - eg by searching YouTube for "people fainting" - and most of them predated the pandemic by years. Clearly some troll had just found a bunch of old clips of people collapsing and edited it together into a lazy piece of anti-vaxx propaganda. And it works! People fall for it, even though this particular clip took about thirty seconds to debunk. My point is - I've seen videos before of people jumping from buildings. They're not hard to find online; the now-defunct r/watchpeopledie was full of them, as was Liveleak (RIP). It would be trivially easy to find a bunch of these clips, edit them together and give them a caption that claims they all happened recently in one place and are part of a disturbing new trend. So I'm not convinced that this video you shared is what it claims to be.
- seizethegdgap 5y ago
  I understand that, I'm just sharing the video.
- lowercased 5y ago
  Did you point this out to the 'rabid anti-vaxxer' who sent it to you? What was his reaction? My guess is the reality of it doesn't matter one bit to that person.
  - hihihihi1234 5y ago
    You guess correctly. This person isn't my friend, and I consider him beyond help.

0des 5y ago

Very few jumped in 9/11? Are you kidding me? I personally saw many with my own eyes.

urthor 5y ago
As a percentage it wasn't high. Dozens I think? Maybe 100 jumpers out of 3000 deaths? In the worst situation imaginable. I call that an endorsement for humanity's innate desire to grasp at life.
- deleted 5y ago
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- 0des 5y ago
  > as a percentage Buddy I don't even know where to start here, while being polite.
  - Noumenon72 5y ago
    This is basic numeracy. Looking at several instances of something and asking "Is that a lot?" It was many more suicides than you have seen on an average day but it may be a surprisingly small number given the situation. Percentage is a tool to help you ask "did the many incidents I heard about represent what most people there experienced, or not?"
    - urthor 5y ago
      I should've have had "this is a symbolism for how wonderful human beings are" at the start These were my exact thoughts. Even in a tragedy, most people tried their hardest until the very end.
- sumedh 5y ago
  > Maybe 100 jumpers out of 3000 deaths? How many of those 3000 were not able to reach the windows?
- jallen_dot_dev 5y ago