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You’re probably just less picky than me, but I absolutely noticed on Teslas in the wild and it’s for this same reason I also don’t buy/own any GM products. It’

You’re probably just less picky than me, but I absolutely noticed on Teslas in the wild and it’s for this same reason I also don’t buy/own any GM products. It’s just shoddy, and for a car as expensive as they are these days (and Tesla especially) it’s unacceptable. Toyota and Honda economy cars are assembled with more rigorous quality standards than a $100k Tesla.

dazc 5y ago
> Toyota and Honda economy cars are assembled with more rigorous quality standards than a $100k Tesla. Not playing devil's advocate for Tesla here but how long have Toyota and Honda been building cars? It's true that every iteration is superior but they started out making some fairly bad cars back in the day. Showing my age here but when Japanes cars started getting popular in the UK it was only because British cars had become so bad. Even then, it was common knowledge that a Japanes car was only good for 2 or 3 years since the bodywork couldn't cope with our weather and would just rust away.
- 0des 5y ago
  Even my Toyota from 1980's had better tolerances.
- heymijo 5y ago
  In the original iteration of Tesla’s Fremont factory Musk insisted on automation. Global automakers in the 80’s learned the limits and perils of automation. Musk decided he had to learn that mistake for himself, years later admitting the process needed people more than he imagined. The collective knowledge gained in making quality automobiles since Toyota started until now is widely available, especially with someone who has the resources to hire people with that experience.
  - dazc 5y ago
    > The collective knowledge gained in making quality automobiles since Toyota started until now is widely available... Yes, this is a fair point, I do concede.
- Gareth321 5y ago
  >how long have Toyota and Honda been building cars? 86 and 59 years, respectively. If it takes Tesla another 72 years to figure out how to build high quality cars someone else will eat their lunch.
xeromal 5y ago
I realize that I'm in the minority as this, but if you see a Tesla as an EV and not a luxury car, you worry less. I bought it as an EV. If I wanted Luxury, I'd get a mercedes or Porsche

dazc 5y ago

> Toyota and Honda economy cars are assembled with more rigorous quality standards than a $100k Tesla. Not playing devil's advocate for Tesla here but how long have Toyota and Honda been building cars? It's true that every iteration is superior but they started out making some fairly bad cars back in the day. Showing my age here but when Japanes cars started getting popular in the UK it was only because British cars had become so bad. Even then, it was common knowledge that a Japanes car was only good for 2 or 3 years since the bodywork couldn't cope with our weather and would just rust away.

0des 5y ago
Even my Toyota from 1980's had better tolerances.
heymijo 5y ago
In the original iteration of Tesla’s Fremont factory Musk insisted on automation. Global automakers in the 80’s learned the limits and perils of automation. Musk decided he had to learn that mistake for himself, years later admitting the process needed people more than he imagined. The collective knowledge gained in making quality automobiles since Toyota started until now is widely available, especially with someone who has the resources to hire people with that experience.
- dazc 5y ago
  > The collective knowledge gained in making quality automobiles since Toyota started until now is widely available... Yes, this is a fair point, I do concede.
Gareth321 5y ago
>how long have Toyota and Honda been building cars? 86 and 59 years, respectively. If it takes Tesla another 72 years to figure out how to build high quality cars someone else will eat their lunch.

xeromal 5y ago

I realize that I'm in the minority as this, but if you see a Tesla as an EV and not a luxury car, you worry less. I bought it as an EV. If I wanted Luxury, I'd get a mercedes or Porsche